Discrimination ruling in the high court

[Notch7]

They should keep all this religion out of schools all these faith schools that cause nothing but division

That includes all faith schools? ......does it not

What about if I wanted to send my child to an Islamic school ? would they allow it ? the child being a non muslim ??

That to me suggests Islamic as an example of the above statement covering all faith schools.

But let us just concentrate on Muslim schools and Islam because that fits your prejudiced perception.

I dont see where you can interpret the 2 statements as prejudiced perception.

it is true that faith schools do create division
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...h-schools-religious-discrimination-boundaries

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

That includes all faith schools? ......does it not

Some faith schools discriminate, some do not. Muslim schools do not, Yet Jewish schools do. Catholic schools used to, but are prevented by law from doing so now.
Funny how **** end highlighted Muslim schools, but overlooked Jewish schools.

That to me suggests Islamic as an example of the above statement covering all faith schools.

You either did not read my explanation on the difference between Islamic school and Muslim school. Or you failed to understand the difference.
A Muslim could not fulfill the requirements to be allowed into a christian theological college, and would not be allowed into a Jewish theological college.
Any denomination is allowed to attend a Muslim school.

I dont see where you can interpret the 2 statements as prejudiced perception.

By highlighting Muslim schools that do allow non-Muslims, and intimating that they do not, and overlooking Jewish schools that do not allow non-Jewish, thereby intimating that they do allow non-Jewish pupils, is prejudiced perception.

 

[HawkEye244]

In essence, I agree with you there, but there's a difference in having the kids in different classes, and being comletely and utterly segregated. My daughter goes to a mixed school where the boys and girls were taught in seperate classes because as you say, they get on better without disctractions, but they were able to mix during break and dinner, so it was the best of both worlds. They integrated in the 4th year, but in this case, the mixed school was just re-inforcing that girls and boys should be kept apart for everything regrdless, and they should have been in a single sex school if that was what was required.

Yeah does seem a little far fetched when you put it like that. I suppose at least they can meet outside of school on the way to and from school, did it really need legislating? Who is to say the school may have relaxed the policy at some point in the future. I just don't like seeing a particular view forced on people. I don't have kids anyway so suppose I like the parent mentality in all it's fullness.

 

[Doggit]

I can understand your dislike of views being forced on you; I'd be right next to you on the baricades if they tried that with me. What I'm surprised with this thread, is that none of the usual suspects have jumped in a screamed discrimination against muslims, because at the end of the day, this is religious indoctination of an insidious sort, but by all those faiths in enforcing seperation of the children. You can send your kids to a single sex school, knowing they won't get distracted during lessons, and you can send them to a mixed school and not worry about anything, but when you send them to a mixed school, knowing they will get segregated, then I feel that needs dealing with, becuse you know the kids are getting taught unhealthy attitides towards the opposite sex.

 

[transam]

Fortunately religion & politics does not mix in the U.K . Tim Farron the liberal leader found that out

faith schools dunno why they do not have a Voodoo schools or Rastafarian schools or Madraser's.

Religion

should be teaching children some thing worth while not filling there heads with all this mumbo jumbo rubbish & nonsense

 

[EFLImpudence]

I can understand your dislike of views being forced on you; I'd be right next to you on the baricades if they tried that with me. What I'm surprised with this thread, is that none of the usual suspects have jumped in a screamed discrimination against muslims,

By Ofsted, you mean?

because at the end of the day, this is religious indoctination of an insidious sort, but by all those faiths in enforcing seperation of the children.

But separation is what British single sex schools do.
Religious indoctrination does not depend on segregation.

You can send your kids to a single sex school, knowing they won't get distracted during lessons, and you can send them to a mixed school and not worry about anything,

You can worry about distraction with the latter.

but when you send them to a mixed school, knowing they will get segregated, then I feel that needs dealing with

I do not see the difference. If that is what the parents want.
When I went to grammar school the nearest girls were a couple of miles away.

becuse you know the kids are getting taught unhealthy attitides towards the opposite sex.

What do you mean by that? How do they do that?
If the parents are aware and want that, what then?

Do you mean the boys are being taught to abuse and rape and the girls taught to accept it?

Dangerous ground, this.

 

[Doggit]

I get the feeling EFL, that you have completely missed the essential point of this problem, and that you're arguing just for the sake of it.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't think so.

There is no difference in segregating girls and boys in one building or by separate buildings.


They have been found guilty because segregating boys and girls is unlawful sex discrimination

even though "the court did not accept the argument the school's policy had disadvantaged girls more than boys."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-41609861

 

[transam]

we work in single sex schools and have worked in dual sex schools , all in the private sector. we also work in a school for severly autistic children thetre education is basically teaching them life skills

we also worked in a school for problem children , these were kids who were bright (?) but had issues . the worst thing they did was to turn it into a mixed sex school , the girls were a nightmare tbh . the level of violence that went on was shocking tbh

As far as I am concerned Islam is a repressive religion . it discriminates against woman and girls. Imo these islamic schools have no place in the U.K.

Out the door imho & that go's for any other faith based religious mumbo jumbo school from what ever faith that practises discrimination.

**** em . & if u happen here way har bee . I am not interested in your op or view or any thing else that u may want to say u ladys w***y

 

[EFLImpudence]

I agree.

I am not sticking up for their religion or anyone else's.
It would be good if they were all done away with.

I am just commenting on the illogicality of Ofsted and the court ruling.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

By highlighting Muslim schools that do allow non-Muslims, and intimating that they do not, and overlooking Jewish schools that do not allow non-Jewish, thereby intimating that they do allow non-Jewish pupils, is prejudiced perception.

As far as I am concerned Islam is a repressive religion . it discriminates against woman and girls. Imo these islamic schools have no place in the U.K.
Out the door imho & that go's for any other faith based religious mumbo jumbo school from what ever faith that practises discrimination.

And I am just commenting on the illogicality of **** end's blatant islamophobia.

 

[vinty]

All religions have their extremists, right wing Christians, Islamic fundamentalists and ultra orthodox Jews, one thing they have in common is a weird attitude towards women.
I like Buddhism as a religion or philosophy it doesn't seem have the vindictiveness of the Abrahamic religions, that bloke Abraham by all accounts was a bit of a head case, his father was an idol maker in the land of UR when one day Abraham heard a voice inside his head tell him to smash up all the idols in his father's shop, his father threw him out and disowned him and the rest is as they say history.

 

[transam]

Are they not Buddhists ? who are causing all that chaos in Burma , causing mass migration / refugee crisis in Bangladesh ?