Doesn't take long

[Notch7]

Don't throw numbers around that make no sense, it ruins your argument entirely. Around 97000 people were killed or injured (that's shock through to arm hanging off) on the roads in 2017. Between 2012 - 2016 speed was a factor in only 11% of all accidents, it is only the primary contributory factor in between 5-7% of all accidents. Governments own figures.

We need a grown up common sense based discussion about the use of speed cameras and other types of enforcement, not arm flailing and wailing about the children, being hugely emotive doesn't help us target limited resources at the right things, as evidenced by the angst in this thread.

Maybe speed is less of a factor in accidents becwuse people drive more slowly, due to speed cameras.

Certainly in the south east many motorways have become smart motorways with average speed cameras.

 

[durhamplumber]

Don't throw numbers around that make no sense, it ruins your argument entirely. Around 97000 people were killed or injured (that's shock through to arm hanging off) on the roads in 2017. Between 2012 - 2016 speed was a factor in only 11% of all accidents, it is only the primary contributory factor in between 5-7% of all accidents. Governments own figures.

We need a grown up common sense based discussion about the use of speed cameras and other types of enforcement, not arm flailing and wailing about the children, being hugely emotive doesn't help us target limited resources at the right things, as evidenced by the angst in this thread.

Ok...using your numbers, ,thats only 10k ppl injured or killed,,,fekall then!! .20 odd 747s falling out the sky EVERY year, ,,or about 9999 more than killed by terrorists,,,not even worth thinking about is it...Jeez...So ..if shock is in the form of Ptsd for a squaddie,,big deal, ,shock from car crash is a bit tame,,, your argument??!

 

[durhamplumber]

Don't throw numbers around that make no sense, it ruins your argument entirely. Around 97000 people were killed or injured (that's shock through to arm hanging off) on the roads in 2017. Between 2012 - 2016 speed was a factor in only 11% of all accidents, it is only the primary contributory factor in between 5-7% of all accidents. Governments own figures.

We need a grown up common sense based discussion about the use of speed cameras and other types of enforcement, not arm flailing and wailing about the children, being hugely emotive doesn't help us target limited resources at the right things, as evidenced by the angst in this thread.

Just slow down ffs,,,

 

[durhamplumber]

Yeah but what about me knackered locks

Locks fix,dead ppl generally do not

 

[sodthisforfun]

Yeah but what about me knackered locks

Boobytrap?

 

[SammyInnit]

Certainly in the south east many motorways have become smart motorways with average speed cameras.

I'm not sure if the data suggests otherwise but I can't see any improvement smart motorways have made to the M6.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Don't throw numbers around that make no sense, it ruins your argument entirely. Around 97000 people were killed or injured (that's shock through to arm hanging off) on the roads in 2017. Between 2012 - 2016 speed was a factor in only 11% of all accidents, it is only the primary contributory factor in between 5-7% of all accidents.

Oh, that's OK then.

Speed only a factor in 10,670 people being killed or injured, and the primary factor in only 4,850 - 6,790 deaths and injuries. And I wouldn't mind betting that in that last group the death and serious injury %s are higher than the overall ones.

We need a grown up common sense based discussion about the use of speed cameras and other types of enforcement

How about a grown up common sense answer to this:

"Why should we not use as much non-human technology as possible to make it virtually impossible for people to break the law?"

To try to bring this back on topic, what if there was a lock or something which would make it impossible, or almost impossible, for his vehicle to get broken into. Who would be arguing that it should not be used?

Some people carry on as if speeding was some kind of civil right, and that breaking the speed limit makes them some kind of freedom fighter.

Just slow down ffs,,,

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ok...using your numbers, ,thats only 10k ppl injured or killed,,,fekall then!! .20 odd 747s falling out the sky EVERY year, ,,or about 9999 more than killed by terrorists,,,not even worth thinking about is it...Jeez...So ..if shock is in the form of Ptsd for a squaddie,,big deal, ,shock from car crash is a bit tame,,, your argument??!

Please write properly DP.

 

[Brigadier]

Just slow down ffs,,,

If rather share the road with attentive speeders than with distracted "law-abiding drivers".

 

[JohnD]

Are you assuming that speeding drivers are safer than law abiding ones?

Do you think there is a negative correlation between speeding and careless driving?

 

[Notch7]

smart motorways

sorry I meant revenue collecting motorways, which are labelled 'smart'

 

[Notch7]

The UK does have a good record for road safety:

UK roads remain amongst safest in EU

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The number of deaths on UK roads is still one of the lowest in the EU – 27 deaths per million inhabitants in 2017 (down by 1 since 2016), according to the European Commission's latest statistics. Only Sweden fares better with 25 road deaths per million inhabitants


No doubt Ellal will be along to moan about UK road safety, because everything to him is carp in this country

 

[SirGalahad]

everything to him is carp in this country

No the only crap thing is our Politicians and Daily Rag Newspapers. Our public is misinformed or too busy watching X Factor.

Democracy requires an informed public free from manipulation.

 

[JohnD]

Our public is misinformed

And it's not just holidaymakers who spend their time lying in the Sun.

When they're forced to make a grudging apology, you won't find it in big print on the front page.

 

[ellal]

No doubt Ellal will be along to moan about UK road safety, because everything to him is carp in this country

Nope...

Having driven in many countries, we have imo some of the best/most considerate drivers around...
And if you bothered to note as I said in this very topic in relation to crime, 'most people are decent individuals'.

It's the way we are ruled that is crap!

You really do need to keep up, notchy!