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BMWs are nearly always driven badly, I would scrap the lot of them.
Apart from being a ludicrously sweeping generalisation; if accident statistics are at all a reflection of poor driving - Vauxhall's appear to be top of the list! ;)

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The biggest issue with N57 (and the smaller N47) is their extreme use of EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) to reduce NOX emissions. EGR is very bad for an engine for most systems because it generates a large amount of soot. This soot ends up in the oil sump and it acts like a micro-abrasive which causes heavy timing chain & guide wear. The second place it builds up is the inlet manifold and this has been known to cause hot spots which burn through the plastic inlet manifold and hence the vehicle fires that have been attributed to this engine.
The police use exacerbates this because egr can run at up to around 90% recycled exhaust gas on idle and police vehicles tend to spend huge amounts of time at idle. This means the vehicles suffer from extremely dirty oil in a very short time and hence timing chain failure. I'm pretty sure in the case mentioned that bits of the chain guide broke off and caused the catastrophic failure of the engine.
The cure would be fairly simple, a software delete or restriction of the EGR but that would increase NOX emissions so BMW would not do that. Far more frequent oil changes, every 2-3k would also solve the problem but the police won't do that either. A re-design but using clean exhaust gas from after the exhaust particulate filter would clean up the soot issue and Mercedes and many large vehicles use this technique but it involves more pipework and hence cost.
What I would say to anybody buying a BMW with the N47 engine is NEVER allow the stop/start function to operate and change the oil at least twice as frequent as recommended. From 2015 onwards, the B47/B57 replaced the N versions and it is better but can still suffer the same issues unless well cared for......
 
You're mixing the point, Trans; the Germans are very good at designing and engineering stuff for its intended purpose.

When outside of its specified envelope though, perhaps less dependable.

The biggest issue with N57 (and the smaller N47) is their extreme use of EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) to reduce NOX emissions. EGR is very bad for an engine for most systems because it generates a large amount of soot. This soot ends up in the oil sump and it acts like a micro-abrasive which causes heavy timing chain & guide wear. The second place it builds up is the inlet manifold and this has been known to cause hot spots which burn through the plastic inlet manifold and hence the vehicle fires that have been attributed to this engine.
The police use exacerbates this because egr can run at up to around 90% recycled exhaust gas on idle and police vehicles tend to spend huge amounts of time at idle. This means the vehicles suffer from extremely dirty oil in a very short time and hence timing chain failure. I'm pretty sure in the case mentioned that bits of the chain guide broke off and caused the catastrophic failure of the engine.
The cure would be fairly simple, a software delete or restriction of the EGR but that would increase NOX emissions so BMW would not do that. Far more frequent oil changes, every 2-3k would also solve the problem but the police won't do that either. A re-design but using clean exhaust gas from after the exhaust particulate filter would clean up the soot issue and Mercedes and many large vehicles use this technique but it involves more pipework and hence cost.
What I would say to anybody buying a BMW with the N47 engine is NEVER allow the stop/start function to operate and change the oil at least twice as frequent as recommended. From 2015 onwards, the B47/B57 replaced the N versions and it is better but can still suffer the same issues unless well cared for......

After buying a Discovery Sport last year I read a lot of articles about engine failures/engine part failures. There were problems on the LR Discovery and Range Rover Evoke which weren't prevalent on larger Range Rover and Jaguars with the same engine, oil dilution caused by diesel in the oil. Seems to me that Euro 6 emissions standards have a more active egr filter using diesel to increase the heat, on the sport and evoque models there wasn't enough room under the bonnet so part of the egr system had to be accommodated 60cm further down making it harder to reach the required temperature. On short journeys if the egr was going through a cleaning cycle and this was cut short, diesel ended up in the sump, diluting the oil. LR put new algorithms in the software to pick up failed egr purges and reduce the service interval accordingly. LR is a 30,000km oil change interval, realistically that will be reduced to 20,000 km, and 7 litres of 5/30 synthetic aint cheap. Helpfully, Mrs filly has an LR app on her phone telling her the miles till the next service, and the miles till she needs to add 'adblue' to a seperate tank. It also tells her what her driving efficiency is, mpg, braking and accelerating efficiency, she normally scores 4.5/5.0 out of 5. Unfortunately, it also tells her what a **** I am when driving.

VW have had similar problems with the 2l diesel, oil service interval reduced from 30,000 km to 20,000 km, but they now add with city driving it's worth reducing that further to between 4000km - 7000km :oops:
Apparently due to 'premature acidification of oil', .

Before anyone say's how crap Landrover is, google snapped crankshafts on Audis and timing chain failures on VW's.

We used to have a Citroen Xantia with a 2.0 ltr diesel, twin turbo, it was fast, economic and you felt it would go on forever, they probably will.

We love the Landrover, in terms of luxury, equipment, comfort/ride, the 9 speed auto gearbox (our 1st automatic), but, as with any modern ultra low emission diesel, you cant help feeling that a very expensive disaster is just around the corner.

Maybe it's time to go back to petrol engines, or it would have been if they hadn't brought in E10.
 
I used to love my Vx Senator police specials, 3.0l 24v straight 6 with manual gearbox's. Not far off the fastest 4door saloon in its day & cost a fraction of the nearest equivalent Merc or BMW.

My last one had 2x huge fans on the rad & when you switched it off it would continue to circulate water to cool down for 10mins. This was a mod done to prevent the damage that just switching off does to very hot engines.

Yes, those Senators were nice cars and cracking value used. The mod sounds like a good idea. Two things I would never do - rev a cold engine or switch off a hot engine immediately after it's had to work hard. Especially important for anything with a turbo - let it run for a minute to get some cooler oil through the turbo.
 
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Two things I would never do - rev a cold engine or switch off a hot engine immediately after it's had to work hard. Especially important for anything with a turbo - let it run for a minute to get some cooler oil through the turbo.

The Coventry Climax racing engine was designed to pump water for fire engines, it had to go from 0 to **** knows what rpm in seconds, rattled like a bastard because of the tolerances until it warmed up.
 
After buying a Discovery Sport last year I read a lot of articles about engine failures/engine part failures. There were problems on the LR Discovery and Range Rover Evoke which weren't prevalent on larger Range Rover and Jaguars with the same engine, oil dilution caused by diesel in the oil. Seems to me that Euro 6 emissions standards have a more active egr filter using diesel to increase the heat, on the sport and evoque models there wasn't enough room under the bonnet so part of the egr system had to be accommodated 60cm further down making it harder to reach the required temperature. On short journeys if the egr was going through a
The problem with fuel dilution in the engine oil is normally because of rejected "regens" so a dpf cleaning cycle that is initiated by the ECU to burn of the soot that has been captured by the DPF filter. If the vehicle starts a regen, it should be allowed to finish it but this does not take into account normal use. Some (notably either U.S/Japanese or comercial) vehicles notify the driver that a regen is required and "ask" the driver if now is a good time so that the driver can abort the regen if they are not going to be driving much further. Warnings become more "pushy" if the DPF gets further blocked until the driver has to continue to drive or it will require a static regen. These modern diesels should not be sold to anybody unless they are aware of this requirement or if their journeys/usage is not compatible with a EURO 5/6 diesel. Moreover the manufactures do not make it obvious that a regen is even taking place let alone it when it would not be a good time to switch the vehicle off. They should also have oil level sensors that alert the driver to over-filling of the sump because the level increases quite dramatically if the vehicle fails to regen repeatedly.
The daft thing is, these engines will easily run for many hundreds of thousands of miles if allowed to regen and if not subject to stop/start cycles and excessive idling. The engines were designed well but the mandated emissions equipment is controlled incredibly badly...
 
What I would say to anybody buying a BMW with the N47 engine is NEVER allow the stop/start function to operate
I don't quite get it; if idling before razzing causes the problem, why disable a system that reduces idling time?
 
BMWs are nearly always driven badly, I would scrap the lot of them.

I saw a rare thing the other Saturday morning.

On way to openwater swimming, I was driving around a roundabout. Silver jag shot out in front of me, closely followed by a blue 5 series touring, causing me to jab the brakes.
Beemer driver gestured an apology :eek:


(Not so the white (but filthy) mondeo estate twenty minutes later, which did exactly the same thing, but decided to act the hard man and slam their brakes on in front of me.......)
 
96k 2 litre Toyota diesel.
I got a "dpf filter blocked: consult owner's manual" notification the other day.

Nothing in the manual.......

Called Toyota, who asked me whether I did a lot of urban short journeys, at low revs and higher gears.

(A "yes" since covid and WFH; before that, I was a daily 50 mile+ motorway driver, albeit again not a thrasher. Plus, company rewards is for economical driving, and gentle acceleration /braking. Which is at odds with keeping a modern diesel engine clear of soot, it seems.......)

Advised to drive at +3k revs for 20mins+, to regen the dpf.
Did so - happened to be in Northampton, so return trip was done in third - and notification hasn't returned.
 
96k 2 litre Toyota diesel.
I got a "dpf filter blocked: consult owner's manual" notification the other day.

Nothing in the manual.......

Called Toyota, who asked me whether I did a lot of urban short journeys, at low revs and higher gears.

(A "yes" since covid and WFH; before that, I was a daily 50 mile+ motorway driver, albeit again not a thrasher. Plus, company rewards is for economical driving, and gentle acceleration /braking. Which is at odds with keeping a modern diesel engine clear of soot, it seems.......)

Advised to drive at +3k revs for 20mins+, to regen the dpf.
Did so - happened to be in Northampton, so return trip was done in third - and notification hasn't returned.

Yeah we had a peugeot 407, nice car and basically the same 2.0 hdi diesel that the citroen had, except ot had a dpf filter, at the time mrs filly worked about a mile away. That car cost us a few quid in forced regens that weren't altogether successful.
 
Yeah we had a peugeot 407, nice car and basically the same 2.0 hdi diesel that the citroen had, except ot had a dpf filter, at the time mrs filly worked about a mile away. That car cost us a few quid in forced regens that weren't altogether successful.

Same engine as in my van. Only got 108,000 but good as new and neither leaks or burns any oil. Never need to top up between regular oil changes. I look after it so should be going a while longer.
 
The biggest issue with BMWs is that none of them have indicators.

Actually most of these drivers switched to an Audi years ago, which at least have a warning sign on them, to let others know about the Aggressive Unskilled Driver Inside.

The muppets that hover dangerously in my rear mirror seem to be switching to Teslas these days though.

All premium cars by definition self-select a low IQ, just paying these sort of prices separates the wallies from the sane people.
 
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