Dover. It's what we wanted.

[IT Minion]

So you are saying it’s the French that are causing the hold ups. Glad we sorted that.

They fully staffed all the booths that we built for them.

We chose to make those staff do more work to process every Brit who wants to go to the continent. Abolishing freedom of movement was the biggest thing for Brexit.

We chose not to build more infrastructure to cope with it.

 

[motorbiking]

We chose nothing of the sort. It was a consequence of the Brexit deal that BOTH sides negotiated. Nothing stopped the EU/UK teams offering a special arrangement to simplify border checks. Its highly likely one will come, particularly once the new EU EES is rolled out, which is likely to be more unworkable if it remains in its current form.

 

[IT Minion]

We chose nothing of the sort. It was a consequence of the Brexit deal that BOTH sides negotiated. Nothing stopped the EU/UK teams offering a special arrangement to simplify border checks. Its highly likely one will come, particularly once the new EU EES is rolled out, which is likely to be more unworkable if it remains in its current form.

We rejected freedom of movement as a red line. What the hell do you think that means?

 

[motorbiking]

Both sides chose the deal we ended up with. Making travel hard is all part of the "punish the leavers" policy that the EU had. They could not allow a country to leave and demonstrate that it was better out than in. Every attempt was made to make the deal worse.

Very neighbourly indeed.

 

[IT Minion]

Both sides chose the deal we ended up with. Making travel hard is all part of the "punish the leavers" policy that the EU had. They could not allow a country to leave and demonstrate that it was better out than in. Every attempt was made to make the deal worse.

Very neighbourly indeed.

They explained during negotiations what rejecting freedom of movement meant. We decided that we wanted to leave on those terms.

We chose this, eyes open.

 

[blup]

It doesn’t matter. Everything needs to be value engineered, unless that result increases loss of life or causes other critical issues.

You don’t design things for peak capacity if they will spend much of their time significantly below capacity. Stuff sitting idle costs money. Delays can be economically acceptable and you can introduce unsustainable temporary measures based on the fact they are temporary.

Value engineering asks if the capacity is worth it. The answer may be - no.

There was no value engineering exercise done pre Brexit or even pre the Deal otherwise the May trade deal would have sailed through. You can’t back engineer a warped ideology.

Blup

 

[motorbiking]

Once one side, has the objective of making the other suffer, there can be no constructive negotiations seeking to achieve mutual success. The remainers blame people who voted Brexit. But they make no comment on the policy that the EU had to do its best to make being outside worse than inside.

For people saying free movement is linked to simplified passport controls, it's nonsense. Many countries have simplified border controls without un-capped free movement.

 

[Mottie]

It’s just spite.

 

[IT Minion]

Once one side, has the objective of making the other suffer, there can be no constructive negotiations seeking to achieve mutual success. The remainers blame people who voted Brexit. But they make no comment on the policy that the EU had to do its best to make being outside worse than inside.

For people saying free movement is linked to simplified passport controls, it's nonsense. Many countries have simplified border controls without un-capped free movement.

And still we chose to enter those negotiations, knowing we were in a weak position and we sent our elite clown team to agree to those terms.

Wailing that we're the poor victims of the mean EU is shirking our responsibility in choosing this path.

We knew all of this. None of this is a surprise.

 

[blup]

The irresponsible take or leave it negotiating stance of frost and the like was take it or leave it, we don’t give a f*uck. That may sometimes be appropriate in an aggressive one side holds all the cards commercial negotiation but not when the country’s economy is at stake. It also says f*ck business and f*ck value engineering

Blup

 

[motorbiking]

Sometimes people need to feel the storm to appreciate the calm. Both sides will work to simplify the deal over the coming years once they realise it's in our mutual interest and that the UK is not begging to come back. Hopefully future governments will not go begging for a BRINO deal at all costs.

 

[noseall]

It’s just spite.

That's exactly what Brexit was founded upon and resulted in, yes.

"WE DON'T CARE" hail the Brexers.

 

[noseall]

Sometimes people need to feel the storm to appreciate the calm.

Is that your version of a Brexit positive?

FFS.

 

[blup]

True. It’s like those that complain that the government should ensure that every village has its own snow plough for the few days per year that the roads get blocked.

But wasn’t the Brexit vote a vote for 6 inches of snow?

Blup

 

[blup]

Sometimes people need to feel the storm to appreciate the calm. Both sides will work to simplify the deal over the coming years once they realise it's in our mutual interest and that the UK is not begging to come back. Hopefully future governments will not go begging for a BRINO deal at all costs.

Getting the eu to drop its hard border rules would be like getting Britain to open up its borders to all comers.

Blup