Electrics in detached garage

[JohnW2]

Fair enough but can one person create an argument

Of course they can, if they start an argument with the other party has no reason to start one themselves

 

[JohnW2]

I see what you did there

Exactly

 

[Cate007]

Crikey aren’t some people so unkind

I’d rather waste my energy being kind to someone. If some folk had a brain they’d be dangerous.

Clearly someone thinks they understand these sort of leases more than a solicitor, insurance company who specialises in these houses and oh yeh as of yesterday the property developer too! If I honestly didn’t want a work around I’d have issued a notice immediately for them to remedy it. Instead Ive spent circa 7 months establishing facts etc.

 

[Cate007]

No you’re quite right. With valid facts and a discussion with the neighbour there shouldn’t be an argument. They will hopefully work with me to remedy. Ultimately they have breached the lease so it’s for them to remedy. That’s a very good outlook - thank you

 

[JohnW2]

Crikey aren’t some people so unkind ... I’d rather waste my energy being kind to someone. ...

I don't think anyone has been particularly 'unkind'. On the contrary, we all started by trying to help you, but you have oprogressively confused us!

If some folk had a brain they’d be dangerous.

... what does that mean? Is it a 'kind' comment, or what?

Clearly someone thinks they understand these sort of leases more than a solicitor, insurance company who specialises in these houses and oh yeh as of yesterday the property developer too!

I. for one, certainly don't "understand these sort of things" better than anyone else. Indeed, I asked you what was so special about 'coach houses', and you didn't respond - nor have you really explained the reasoning behind some of the things yiou have apparently been told.

If I honestly didn’t want a work around I’d have issued a notice immediately for them to remedy it. Instead Ive spent circa 7 months establishing facts etc.

Who started all this, and why? Presumably the leaseholder didn't express any 'concerns'?

 

[Cate007]

The leaseholder wouldn’t express concerns as it’s an integral garage with them only entitled to the ground floor. It’s my house insurance. Hence why they have such limitations on their use

 

[Cate007]

Unkind - passive aggressive comments. People with a brain don’t act like that! If you have nothing constructive don’t comment.

 

[JohnW2]

Unkind - passive aggressive comments. People with a brain don’t act like that! If you have nothing constructive don’t comment.

Are you now suggesting that I, and others who have tried to make constructive suggestions "don't have a brain"? If so, that certainly qualifies as 'unkind', doesn't it?

 

[JohnW2]

The leaseholder wouldn’t express concerns as it’s an integral garage with them only entitled to the ground floor. It’s my house insurance. Hence why they have such limitations on their use

I remain confused, since you have yet to help me understand why your situation is as unique as you seem to be suggesting it is.

A friend of mine has a situation which seems very similar to yours. He lives in a first-floor apartment in what is essentially a 'town house' building, and part of the apartment he owns is above the integral garage of the dwelling below, which is under different ownership. As far as I am aware, he has not knowledge of, and certainly no control over, what goes on in that garage, but I imagine that he has been able to insure his apartment without too much difficulty.

As for 'restrictions' in the Lease, they are presumably there because you, as freeholder wanted, or at least approved of, them? If not,you presumably would not have signed it, would you?

 

[flameport]

Far more going on here than is being stated.

Soundproof floor/walls from electric garage door (Ed.)

My neighbours garage is underneath my flat - a couple of years ago they had an electric rolling garage door installed. I don’t mind but the noise is a nuisance. I can’t control the internal part of their garage ie insulation soundproofing etc - Therefore - I’m seeking advice on what measures I...

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[flameport]

In any case, this is massively off topic and unrelated to electricity.

 

[Cate007]

I know for some instances where the garage is separate they simply can’t get electricity in as the barrier is that the electricity cable would go across someone else’s land ie would need to dig up drives. Hence needing explicit permission to lay cables on someone else’s land. My instance may be slightly different as their garden backs onto my house. I’m the freeholder and it’s quite a new house, so it’s the conditions set by the builders (Persimmon). This is not unique as my friend as a Taylor Wimpey one up north and the leaseholders aren’t allowed electricity or plumbing in their garage.

I have mentioned it to the neighbour and hopefully we can come to a reasonable agreement. Her house insurance won’t include the garage as that is a term within the lease for the freeholder (myself), and the premise of that is the limitations on the use of the garage. Thanks for your help. It would be interesting to know if your mate has allowed the leaseholder to have electricity in their garage and how he worked around insurance etc

 

[blup]

Of course they can, if they start an argument with the other party has no reason to start one themselves

In the context of the buyers enquiries on a sale there can surely be no neighbour dispute if only one party is arguing

 

[JohnW2]

In the context of the buyers enquiries on a sale there can surely be no neighbour dispute if only one party is arguing

I think you're using "arguing" in a different sense here - i.e. "to present an argument" is just a way of saying "present a view/ contention/. whatever" - which is very different from "having an argument with someone", which clearly requires at leat two "arguing parties" ?

 

[JohnW2]

I know for some instances where the garage is separate they simply can’t get electricity in as the barrier is that the electricity cable would go across someone else’s land ie would need to dig up drives. Hence needing explicit permission to lay cables on someone else’s land.

Sure, but that's utterly different from what we've been discussing. As far as I am aware, there's no suggestion that anyone will dig up (or otherwise 'do things in/to) someone else'sland, is there?

... I’m the freeholder and it’s quite a new house, so it’s the conditions set by the builders (Persimmon). This is not unique as my friend as a Taylor Wimpey one up north and the leaseholders aren’t allowed electricity or plumbing in their garage.

I'm a bit lost. The builders might not (for whatever reason) not be prepared to install electricitry or plumbing in a garage, but they surely have no control over what is done after the building is sold, do they? IU would say that most garages, including a good few detached ones, have electricity, and some have 'plumbing' - and its down to DNOs, water supply companies and Building Regs to determine whether that can happen, not the builders who sold the house.

I have mentioned it to the neighbour and hopefully we can come to a reasonable agreement. Her house insurance won’t include the garage as that is a term within the lease for the freeholder (myself), and the premise of that is the limitations on the use of the garage. Thanks for your help.

I still think you're probably making far too much of this but, as I've implied, it does rather sound as if the 'problems' you perceive exist largely because of what you wanted/decided to put in the Lease! Are there perhaps pertinent things you're not telling us?

It would be interesting to know if your mate has allowed the leaseholder to have electricity in their garage and how he worked around insurance etc

As far as I am aware, both my 'mate' and the people living below him are freehold owners of their dwellings so, if that is true, no such issues arise. I assume that the garage is insured as part of the ground floor apartment, just as it would be in the case of any home that had an integral garage. However, it seems that you may have shot yourself in the foot by prohibiting your leaseholder from insuring the garage we're talking about!