England shame

[Munroast]

Strange comparison

Bravery in the face of danger, our harry bottled it at the thought of a yellow card. LOL

 

[Odds]

Bravery in the face of danger, our harry bottled it at the thought of a yellow card. LOL

FIFA stepped in to remind everyone they do not allow political statements to be made using any kind of logo, badge or whatever you like - remember the Poppy incident a few years ago? Same thing.

Will the Yanks take a knee before the game on Friday to protest police oppression of the African-American communities in the good ol' USofA?
Will the Welsh make a similar statement before their game against Iran?
England is not the only team at this WC, y'know.

This is all getting to be a bore.
Bodd's missus must be sick of hearing about it by now.

 

[noseall]

Bravery in the face of danger, our harry bottled it at the thought of a yellow card. LOL

Starting a game of footie with a yellow card would not be the most sensible approach to a WC game. If Harry ended up getting sent off as a result, the hatred and backlash would have been immense.

 

[Pat ex]

I think that was said about the Knee bending when it was first started. That said and done; they did stand then kneel against racism.

Do you now not agree with Knee bending?

Gareth Southgate expanded Knee Bending to other things like Woman's rights... as if Knee bending was his invention and his right to tweak.

Everyone's protest is personal to them.
If I protest by painting a statue, my protest might be very different to A N Other who also paints a statue as a protest.
We're all different and we all have differing opinions. You're sticking to your opinion that knee-bending is only about racism against Blacks in USA.
OK stick with that, if you insist, but in most other people's opinion, that's too narrow a protest.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Utter nonsense.

Why are they bending the knee

 

[^woody^]

I've heard that Wales plan to protest by leaving the competition early.

 

[Odds]

 

[Pat ex]

Gay rights are not universal and therefore not human rights. That's just the west imposing it's historical backdrop onto humanity, hijacking these institutions to impose their standard. and if we can impose our standard onto them, then why can't they impose their standard onto us ? Muslims believe in sharia, do you want that imposed on you ? You might contest it, but that's aside the point, they deem it as correct and true.
It's ever so convenient that you get to define the language, and the terms, and everyone must then play on those terms, but the moment it is someone else playing the same game, it's an aberration. I'm afraid the world doesn't see eye to eye on this with you, and this whole human rights BS is more so about ideology than it is about humanity.
With that said, there are things people can agree on - racism, genocide etc etc but these are unequivocally obvious - feminism and homosexuality on the other hand are far more nuanced, some will accept them, others won't - get over it.

It's pretty difficult to object to inequality without also objecting to sexual and gender inequality.
It's like saying one group deserves equality, but another group does not.

Homosexuality is a universal right, as is gender equality. Because inequality is entrenched and pervasive in some societies, that does not remove it from the rights that ought to be enshrined, nor should it prevent fighting for equality within those societies.

It's not like choosing a green energy, where some fuels are more or less green than others.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

FIFA stepped in to remind everyone they do not allow political statements to be made using any kind of logo, badge or whatever you like - remember the Poppy incident a few years ago? Same thing.

Will the Yanks take a knee before the game on Friday to protest police oppression of the African-American communities in the good ol' USofA?
Will the Welsh make a similar statement before their game against Iran?
England is not the only team at this WC, y'know.

This is all getting to be a bore.
Bodd's missus must be sick of hearing about it by now.

She hasn't got time to listen to me go on. I do it to keep you all active and alert.... otherwise you won't get out of yours armchairs..

 

[Pat ex]

I don't think they should be there...... they said you have to go to protest (I disagree) but they buckled at the first hurdle....

Alex Scott however didn't buckle and wore the Armband. She needs to be careful. But she's brave

I nearly agree with you on this issue, Bod.
I think teams should go, but also should maintain any protest they intended to make.
Not going, and the issue dies in social circles. Going and making a protest, and the issue looms larger in social discussion.

On this occasion, going, declaring what protest you intend to make, then bottling it (as you put it) has increased the coverage, at least in UK and among footie supporters.

 

[Pat ex]

If they believe in the eradication of racism then they shouldn't be there.
The arm band was another virtual signaling empty gesture

I'm not convinced that the Qatar stadiums issue was about racism, It was, in my opinion, more about economic advantage of one country over others.
For sure, corruption and other underhand dealings may have played a big part.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

FIFA stepped in to remind everyone they do not allow political statements to be made using any kind of logo, badge or whatever you like - remember the Poppy incident a few years ago? Same thing.

Will the Yanks take a knee before the game on Friday to protest police oppression of the African-American communities in the good ol' USofA?
Will the Welsh make a similar statement before their game against Iran?
England is not the only team at this WC, y'know.

This is all getting to be a bore.
Bodd's missus must be sick of hearing about it by now.

As soppy as it may be the colourful arm band was about one love. It wasn't political..


And even if so shouldn't the FA have known about it?

Fifa have been Nobbled and the FA bottled it.

 

[noseall]

Why are they bending the knee

Why not?

It's a form of protest. Adventitious in the fact that it is displayed to the world.

 

[noseall]

Strange comparison

Stupid comparison.

What roast forgets is that a yellow card, at the start of footie match, for a pro playing in a WC game, is the (disadvantage) equivalent of a soldier going into a heated battle, with one arm one leg and a water pistol.

 

[JP_]

Wearing armbands is really just about raising awareness, and they've raised for more awareness by saying they were going to wear them, and then being told they can't, than if they had been allowed and just did it. Nobody would have really noticed and it would not have been discussed. The fact that it is being discussed on a DIY forum suggests that the correct decisions were made.