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Now we have a big fuss being made about Welsh supporters who were asked to remove there rainbow hats prior to entering the stadium

Jeez us wept even supporters going to Quatar to protest at a match

If I was in charge in Quatar I would deport / kick em out the country :ROFLMAO:
should put them to hard labour before returning the passports, folk are seriously weird now. It is probably the lack of lager, a good swill then battle with the opposition fans is how it was once done.
 
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How can we have a discussion if you are not willing to define your terms ? Definitions are very important. I haven't defined equality, because I'm not making a claim, you are. Define equality, and define pluralism. If you can't define them, then your argument is moot.
Muslims don't accept your understanding of equality. Now what ? must we force them to accept this standard ? Oh, the Gov already is forcing their kids to accept homosexuality via Prevent, all in the name of freedom and equality as you define it. Women wearing hijab is inequality too by the western standard, so now what ? Why do you get to define the terms and no else has a say ?

The next argument you make is one of nuisance, so equal pay for equal work as an example. Again, how do we define equal ? Is there even such a thing ? Take two women, both have the same title, but one works very hard. The boss decides to pay her more than the other, but the titles are the same. Different humans bring different potentials to the table, some more than others. If there must be equal pay, then the individuals must be equivalent in performance and output, but that is almost never the case.
My apologies for not replying in reasonable time, omph. I do intend to reply, just a bit short of time right now.
 
It's now also becoming an issue in the west itself, in the form of wokisms
Woke is a right wing culture war, a phoney one.

It uses the age old strategy of “uniting against a common enemy”

So Im not sure it’s useful in your argument.
 
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If it was so important to them, why don't every player have a rainbow unicorn tattoo on their arm instead?

Or is a badge for this months worthy token cause more convenient for virtue signalling?

Back in the day, we'd just go for a fight and wait for a match to break out. No knees, no badges, no causes, no problems
 
If it was so important to them, why don't every player have a rainbow unicorn tattoo on their arm instead?
Equally why don't you get 'I don't give a f*ck to human rights' tattooed on your arm?
 
Equally why don't you get 'I don't give a f*ck to human rights' tattooed on your arm?


But do the Footballers....
They bent the knee because it cost them nothing. They just followed like sheep.



I've said if it would cost them in any way then they wouldn't do it...

This thing with the arm band proved my point....

Well done Germany more so well done Iran..... very very brave footballers. They did what they did wears Harry wouldn't even take a Yellow for what he claims to believe in.
 
Blimey every one jumping up and down over this Qatar caper , banging on about homo phobia and womans rights ect ect

same people are welcoming thousands of homo phobic fruit cakes into the UK :ROFLMAO: and slplashing out 42milion squid a week to accomodate them :ROFLMAO:

but best not say any thing about that , as they get up set and go into some denial or excuse mode :ROFLMAO: ( hypocrits)
 
My apologies for the delay in responding.
How can we have a discussion if you are not willing to define your terms ? Definitions are very important. I haven't defined equality, because I'm not making a claim, you are. Define equality, and define pluralism. If you can't define them, then your argument is moot.
A definition of the words can be found in dictionaries.
But the words themselves raise concepts in out minds. It's those concepts that are difficult to define.
For instance I might talk about equality being a universal right to all, while someone else might consider equality only applies to equal opportunities for disabled people. So we can only argue our points from our own conceptual understanding of what equality means for us.
That's the pluralist movement of equality.

Muslims don't accept your understanding of equality. Now what ? must we force them to accept this standard ? Oh, the Gov already is forcing their kids to accept homosexuality via Prevent, all in the name of freedom and equality as you define it. Women wearing hijab is inequality too by the western standard, so now what ? Why do you get to define the terms and no else has a say ?
Why the concentration on Muslim societies, inequality of sexes is evident in other religions. I argue that it should be sex/gender equality irrespective of religion. But as I've said, there are some scenarios when equality of sex/gender is not possible or desirable.
If the wearing of the hijab is optional, then it is outside of the scope of equality in any society.
I don't get to define the terms of equality, as I've now said several times, it's a pluralist movement, and anyone else does have a say.


The next argument you make is one of nuisance, so equal pay for equal work as an example.
:confused: Is your predictive text writing your comments?

Again, how do we define equal ? Is there even such a thing ?
We only discuss it in specific circumstances. It's pointless defining equality in circumstances where genuine equality might create unequal opportunities.

Take two women, both have the same title, but one works very hard. The boss decides to pay her more than the other, but the titles are the same.
If they both have equal opportunity to deliver the same productivity there is no issue. It's purely a matter of ensuring they do both have equal opportunity. Your comment suggests that you misunderstand the concept of equality.

Different humans bring different potentials to the table, some more than others. If there must be equal pay, then the individuals must be equivalent in performance and output, but that is almost never the case.
Your comment confirms that you misunderstand the concept of equality.
Of course different people bring different potential to the table. The fight for equality should never seek to deny that, and should welcome it.
If they all have equal opportunity, then the difference is purely personal, and there is no inequality issue.
There could be a case for scrutinising working practices, individual dexterity, workplace assessment, etc. But that is different to inequality.
 
Blimey every one jumping up and down over this Qatar caper , banging on about homo phobia and womans rights ect ect

same people are welcoming thousands of homo phobic fruit cakes into the UK :ROFLMAO: and slplashing out 42milion squid a week to accomodate them :ROFLMAO:

but best not say any thing about that , as they get up set and go into some denial or excuse mode :ROFLMAO: ( hypocrits)
I suggest there is an excellent chance that some of the asylum seekers are gay and /or women. Hence why they are seeking asylum. :rolleyes:
 
Blimey every one jumping up and down over this Qatar caper , banging on about homo phobia and womans rights ect ect

same people are welcoming thousands of homo phobic fruit cakes into the UK :ROFLMAO: and slplashing out 42milion squid a week to accomodate them :ROFLMAO:

but best not say any thing about that , as they get up set and go into some denial or excuse mode :ROFLMAO: ( hypocrits)


That said why is this all about the LGBT lot. What about the 6500 men that have died building the stage
 
That said why is this all about the LGBT lot. What about the 6500 men that have died building the stage

hmm not suggesting people did not die

but 6500 ????????? I have a problem with that number ???????

the migrant workers own governments dont seem to give a stuff from what I can see
 
hmm not suggesting people did not die

but 6500 ????????? I have a problem with that number ???????

the migrant workers own governments dont seem to give a stuff from what I can see

What sort of figure do you think can be justified?
 
What sort of figure do you think can be justified?

tis not a question of justification I just have an issue with the number of 6500 consrtuction workers dying whilst building a stadium ??

what was it accidents ??????
 
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