EU and astra zeneca, still going on

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sooey said:
Earlier this year, data from three US states
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Hardly unbiased. From the author of the article "It’s a virus so deadly, you need a test to tell whether you have it or not. So goes the refrain of many lockdown skeptics, Covidiots and anti-maskers, of whom I am an indignant supporter."

An editors comment in the article "Editor’s note: This article and headline have been amended by the author, as the initial version contained statements that may have been liable to misinterpretation or lacked full context. RT.com supports Covid-19 testing and other widely-adopted public health measures developed to fight the pandemic."
 
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denso13 said:
I did and it was plainly obvious it was another crackpot site.
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The World Health Organization released a guidance memo on December 14th, warning that high cycle thresholds on PCR tests will result in false positives.

While this information is accurate, it has also been available for months, so we must ask: why are they reporting it now? Is it to make it appear the vaccine works?

So when that site says the above, which can very easily be checked, is that crackpot?

Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result.
When it quotes the WHO as saying the above is that wrong?
The design principle of RT-PCR means that for patients with high levels of circulating virus (viral load), relatively few cycles will be needed to detect virus and so the Ct value will be low. Conversely, when specimens return a high Ct value, it means that many cycles were required to detect virus. In some circumstances, the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain.
That above is another quote from the WHO, is that also wrong, because you think that the site it's from is dodgy?
Here is a quote from the inventor of the PCR test Kary Mullis
"with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.”
Is that wrong, or irrelevant because you don't like the site it came from?
Even Dr Anthony Fauci has publicly admitted that a cycle threshold over 35 is going to be detecting “dead nucleotides”, not a living virus.

Despite all this, it is known that many labs around the world have been using PCR tests with CT values over 35, even into the low 40s.
Is all the above irrelevant because you don't like the site.

If the site is telling truth which can easily be checked what difference does it make that lying so called 'fact checkers' tell you it's untrustworthy.

 
sooey said:
Perhaps you might believe these people, they are christians
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Trump The Liar and his ilk are Christians, albeit of the nutty US variety. Never has one human being told so many lies to so many people, this century.
 
To be fair to Nosey, saying they are believable because they are Christian doesn’t really sway things anymore.
 
sooey said:
"with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.”
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It's the selective quoting which makes the site untrustworthy. You have done it yourself with the quote above and it doesn't mean what you think it means.

"Mullis did actually say the words “anything in anybody” – but his quote has been taken out of context and presented in a misleading way by claims on social media.

The line comes from a discussion panel Mullis spoke at in 1993, a clip from which has been shared widely on social media pages making false claims about Covid-19 or the effectiveness of PCR testing, such as this one.

Specifically discussing the experience of people with HIV, Mullis said that “someone with HIV generally is going to have almost anything that you can test for”.

“If you have it, there’s a good chance you’ve also got a lot of other ones,” Mullis said, so “to test for that one and say that has any special meaning is what I think is the problem, not that PCR has been misused.”

He said: “If they could find this virus in you at all, with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody, it starts making you believe in the Buddhist notion that everything is contained in everything else.”

The claims on social media have left out that Mullis was specifically discussing HIV and the experience of people with HIV who also contract other viruses."
 
Mullis said many times that PCR is not a diagnostic tool.

 
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If Kary Mullis hadn't died on Aug 7th 2019, very shortly before covid became a thing, just imagine how outspoken he would have been about his PCR proceedure being misused to massively falsify positive results, and drive the pandemic fear and totalitarian measures we are living under.
 
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