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AZ are simply sticking to their contractual terms. It is unfortunate for the EU that those obligations aren't as strict as the UK's contract it's a simple as that.
EU and astra zeneca, still going on
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Precisely. In fact UK is importing vaccines.
A total of 34m doses of coronavirus vaccine have been exported from the EU despite shortages for people living in the bloc, including 9m sent to the UK and 1m to the US, which has a ban on sales abroad.
https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/eu-and-astra-zeneca-still-going-on.566569/page-4
And, what Charles Michel said UK restricts export of vaccines by other methods:https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/eu-and-astra-zeneca-still-going-on.566569/page-4
LONDON — The U.K. does not have an export ban on COVID-19 vaccines — it doesn't need one.
Instead, the government designed clever contracts with suppliers and made key investments for vaccine production to ensure its domestic population is served first.
The diplomatic spat has raised the question of what actually constitutes an export ban on vaccines or medicines that can combat COVID-19. The U.K. appears to have achieved the same effect by different means.
POLITICO asked the British government if it had sent any doses or components used to make doses overseas, and if so, how many and where. The government did not respond directly, but directed us to vaccine manufacturers. AstraZeneca did not respond to a request for comment.
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-uk-doesnt-need-a-coronavirus-vaccine-export-ban/
It looks like UK and AZ are intentionally stockpiling vaccines for UK by any devious means possible.Instead, the government designed clever contracts with suppliers and made key investments for vaccine production to ensure its domestic population is served first.
The diplomatic spat has raised the question of what actually constitutes an export ban on vaccines or medicines that can combat COVID-19. The U.K. appears to have achieved the same effect by different means.
POLITICO asked the British government if it had sent any doses or components used to make doses overseas, and if so, how many and where. The government did not respond directly, but directed us to vaccine manufacturers. AstraZeneca did not respond to a request for comment.
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-uk-doesnt-need-a-coronavirus-vaccine-export-ban/
Why would they do that, with a life-threatening crisis during a pandemic?
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Yes, it's unfortunate for the EU that UK used contracts that ensured UK was provided, by the limited production first, and is stockpiling vaccines, and has not exported any vaccines.
In fact UK is taking imports of the vaccines from India!
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-uk-doesnt-need-a-coronavirus-vaccine-export-ban/
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Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise you know more about my thoughts and actions than I know.
As I said, I never meant to post that sentence as it is a repeat of what I stated earlier in the thread.
What would be the point in me removing it on purpose if I had known you had quoted it?
It would be pointless because me deleting it doesn't remove the section you quoted so all and sundry can still see what I originally posted, it's not like I can pretend it didn't happen, and I haven't pretended it didn't happen. I've owned up and said.
I'm not going to say any more on the matter
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Discuss it with Dangee, you're both inept at changing your argument.
Perhaps between the two of you, you could fine-tune your strategies.
The UK are using those vaccines supplied though, whereas the EU are not due to various countries within the EU providing false and conflicting information.
Also note it is not only AZ that have failed to deliver the vaccine quantities requested.
The vaccine deliveries from the EU to UK have not been AZ vaccines, they have been Pfizer.
The majority of the 34 million doses that have been exported around the world from the EU are Pfizer jabs, which is only manufactured in the EU (the US has there own production site)
AZ can't just magic up batches of vaccines. It's not as simple as just working additional hours to increase production it's much more complex.
The UK government haven't forced any blocks to vaccines being exported. And we don't know if any vaccines have been exported or not, as the UK government have not made it mandatory to be told if vaccines are leaving out shores. The UK's stance is that it is up to the private companies to decide where the vaccine doses go and is dependent on contracts those companies have made.
The UK only manufacturers the one vaccine, currently, with more capacity on the way.
Traditionally the UK has imported most of it's drugs and vaccines.
This article is interesting to see where the UK is going and will eventually be exporting millions of doses once production is up and running, and this was decided and the wheels put in motion before the vaccine nationalism argument came about .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/662ab296-2aef-4179-907c-5dba5c355d86
I haven't changed any argument though.. my stance is still the same.
I've explained my actions, have said it was posted in error, and that my removing it was done before I realised it had been quoted.
I haven't denied doing it, and have stated my stance is still the same.
Your response imo didn't really prove to me to be a winning argument.
You are trying to make an innocent mistake into something that it wasn't.
I apologise if you feel I have tried to missle the general public, but I can assure you if I was to do so, it wouldn't be so obvious to delete something that had been quoted.
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Is this a deliberately confused comment to avoid deleting it in the future?
I'm sure the UK will have used the same binding contract with other suppliers to ensure UK's requirement is met first. Including export of vaccines from EU, even thought the EU contract was falling woefully short.
They're still export of vaccines form EU to UK.
As are the ones from India to UK, as though India has no urgent need of vaccines.
And no vaccine, not one has been exported from UK. In fact UK has stated that it will not export vaccines until its own requirement has been met.
As the article explains, UK does not need a ban because it has other mechanism to restrict the export of vaccines.
Additionally, UK and AZ were asked if the had exported any vaccines and they declined to answer. That is sufficient basis to assume the answer is negative.
As the UK has stated, export of vaccines will only happen when UK's requirement is met.
The Russian and Chinese will have filled the requirement elsewhere by the time UK starts exporting vaccines.
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Then there's that pathetic excuse for your "blocking export of vaccines around the world".
When it was demonstrated that your comment was a blatant lie, you resorted to claiming you meant "Australia is around the world".
Isn't it odd that up until the vaccine roll out all old people in nursing homes who died after having had a positive test for covid (PCR tests give 80 or 90% false positives), were counted as covid deaths, no matter how many comorbidities they had, or how old they were at the time of death.
But since the vaccine rollout all of the deaths that have happened in nursing homes where the vaccine was given, and there have been very many in clusters all over the world, have been due to new covid outbreaks, and nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine itself, nothing at all perish the thought.
Or they have happened because they are dealing wth very old people with lots of comorbidities, and it is only to be expected that these people will die at their age.
But since the vaccine rollout all of the deaths that have happened in nursing homes where the vaccine was given, and there have been very many in clusters all over the world, have been due to new covid outbreaks, and nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine itself, nothing at all perish the thought.
Or they have happened because they are dealing wth very old people with lots of comorbidities, and it is only to be expected that these people will die at their age.
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hilarious -you used to claim the "28 days after a positive covid death" wasnt true as people might have died of other causes
but now you claim that anybody that had a vaccine and died within a short time....it must have been the vaccine, not other causes.
You've just argued against yourself
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