EU unhappy with astrazeneca

[Trazor]

If it fits the facts, it's fact-based conjecture.

noun
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of INCOMPLETE information.

If it's fact, it is no longer conjecture, and that is a fact.

 

[transam]

transam's fake news.
Except it's not news, he read it somewhere on one of his favourite websites that promotes such fake news.

was reported on radio 4 last night


Any grizzeling take it up with the BBC

himmmagin

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It might be too much for you mind to handle, but consider if the UK gov is doing some more advance planning and procurement, and getting prepared for an annual or two-yearly vaccination programme.

Supposing the annual programme required of two injections. And supposing the vaccine has no best-before-date, what is 1 billion divided by 120 million, to arrive at the number of years supply the UK now has. And will all those vaccines be used before the best-before-date?
I think you'll need a mind to realise the potential for a vast waste, and to mentally calculate that.
Unless, of course the purchase is for future supply of vaccines, and there is a built in clause that UK has priority over the supply in case of any shortfall?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

was reported on radio 4 last night


Any grizzeling take it up with the BBC

himmmagin

Then don't present it as your own opinion.
Present the opinion of those that you are reporting, supported by appropriate links.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

noun
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of INCOMPLETE information.

If it's fact, it is no longer conjecture, and that is a fact.

I've given you the definition. Are you disagreeing with the definition provided, or presenting your interpretation of that definition?
A conjecture is an inference, a deduction based on the available facts. Of course they're incomplete, otherwise it would no longer be conjecture. But the available information points to the conjecture being probable.

 

[^woody^]

Supposing the annual programme required of two injections. And supposing the vaccine has no best-before-date, what is 1 billion divided by 120 million, to arrive at the number of years supply the UK now has. And will all those vaccines be used before the best-before-date?
I think you'll need a mind to realise the potential for a vast waste, and to mentally calculate that.
Unless, of course the purchase is for future supply of vaccines, and there is a built in clause that UK has priority over the supply in case of any shortfall?

If you don't understand the vaccine manufacturing and the procurement contract, then its best you keep you gob shut , else you may just make yourself look even dimmer.

FWIW, we are not buying vaccines now and keeping them in the medicine cupboard for a few years until we need them. AstraZeneca vaccine, for instance was not even invented when it was ordered - just like some of the vaccines on order now.

Some people call it forward planning. Idiots call it a vast waste, but best ignore them.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

AZ started building the uk production lines at the point the contract was signed, shortly after the production line was in place they started making the vaccine.

Conjecture?

at the time of eu signing the contract they were advised at the time on the knowledge they had to hand at the time.

Conjecture?

when the EU signed the contract AZ started building the production line and commencement of growing the vaccine, in the EU factories.

Conjecture?

yes this started before trials had started and completed, it has been well documented.

Then you'll have no problem providing supporting evidence.

AZ hasnt returned any of the money. there were clauses in the contract that said if the vaccine didnt work AZ wouldnt have to return the money spent gearing up.

But there were no clauses about if AZ received the money from elsewhere?

the whole thing was a gamble.

Precisely, and the EU wanted some more assurance than the EU before gambling.

was just watching politics live on bbc 2 and it was mentioned by the pro eu people they had on that the way the EU had handled everything over the last week was quite bad. it only appears to be you that keeps dreaming up excuses for the EU.
they made a cock up, theyve handled it badly, take it on the chin and move on.

Any links to your sources. We've recently been through an episode of people paraphrasing an interview to put their own slant on such interviews.
The EU, and the EU media have moved on. It's only the UK media drawing it out.
Funny that.

 

[sxturbo]

Supposing the annual programme required of two injections. And supposing the vaccine has no best-before-date, what is 1 billion divided by 120 million, to arrive at the number of years supply the UK now has. And will all those vaccines be used before the best-before-date?
I think you'll need a mind to realise the potential for a vast waste, and to mentally calculate that.
Unless, of course the purchase is for future supply of vaccines, and there is a built in clause that UK has priority over the supply in case of any shortfall?

lol, UK cant win,

lambasted for being late with track and trace and lockdowns death rates etc,

now we are being pro-active and have a clear strategy, we are purchasing vaccines to ensure we do not have supply problems and we can get back to normal asap.

but because the beloved EU havnt done the, the UK are still ar se holes

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

If you don't understand the vaccine manufacturing and the procurement contract, then its best you keep you gob shut , else you may just make yourself look even dimmer.

Perhaps you'd like to educate us?

FWIW, we are not buying vaccines now and keeping them in the medicine cupboard for a few years until we need them. AstraZeneca vaccine, for instance was not even invented when it was ordered - just like some of the vaccines on order now.

And will there be a priority order in that contract, like there wasn't in the AZ contract, but there was, but there wasn't, but there was.
yeah, but no, but yeah.

Some people call it forward planning.

It's more appropriately called gambling.
Some governments are more prone to it than others.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

lol, UK cant win,

lambasted for being late with track and trace and lockdowns death rates etc,

Credit where credit is due.

now we are being pro-active and have a clear strategy, we are purchasing vaccines to ensure we do not have supply problems and we can get back to normal asap.

To be fair, the UK gambled and won. Fair play to them. Were there any dirty tricks in the background?
Yeah, but no, but yeah, but no.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Evidently, alternative fact-based conjecture is a sore issue.

There can only be one explanation that could be considered. All other alternative explanations are dismissed out-of-hand as implausible, despite that they fit the facts perfectly.
It's just a matter of which explanation you prefer.

 

[^woody^]

Perhaps you'd like to educate us?


And will there be a priority order in that contract, like there wasn't in the AZ contract, but there was, but there wasn't, but there was.
yeah, but no, but yeah.


It's more appropriately called gambling.
Some governments are more prone to it than others.

From recent and past memory of your posts, you don't actually add any value to any debate. All you do is take up a contrary position to anything the UK does. I've never read one single sentence in any of your posts that elicits a "good point" in my mind - which is actually quite a unique achievement.

So just to let you know you've joined several other idiots on my blocked list.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So just to let you know you've joined several other idiots on my blocked list.

I consider that an honour.
Thank you.

 

[sxturbo]

Conjecture?


Conjecture?


Conjecture?


Then you'll have no problem providing supporting evidence.


But there were no clauses about if AZ received the money from elsewhere?


Precisely, and the EU wanted some more assurance than the EU before gambling.


Any links to your sources. We've recently been through an episode of people paraphrasing an interview to put their own slant on such interviews.
The EU, and the EU media have moved on. It's only the UK media drawing it out.
Funny that.

i'm sure you can watch it on bbc i player, it was a program talking about all aspects, the tories still wont answer questions on what went wrong with track and trace.

there is no conjecture with regards what they told the EU at point of contract, hence why best efforts was termed a number of times throughout the contract. its also not conjecture when its written in the contract that the upfront payment is for gearing up to meet the deadline

 

[fillyboy]

EU news: Ireland could quit bloc as EU disrespect now clear - ex-diplomat | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

They finally get it! Ireland could quit bloc as EU disrespect now clear - ex-diplomat
URSULA von der Leyen's swiftly aborted bid to blockade vaccine imports from Northern Ireland has left Dublin "in shock" and fuelled growing euroscepticism within the Irish Republic, a former diplomat has said.
By CIARAN MCGRATH
PUBLISHED: 08:36, Mon, Feb 1, 2021 | UPDATED: 10:50, Mon, Feb 1, 2021

And Ray Bassett said the entire episode merely emphasised how expendable Ireland was in the eyes of eurocrats in Brussels. On Friday, the European Commission, led by President von der Leyen, announced it was triggering clauses in the Northern Irish Protocol to prevent COVID-19 vaccines from moving across the open border from Ireland to Northern Ireland.

Hours later, after vehement protests from London, Belfast and Dublin, the EU issued a statement pledging the Protocol, designed to keep the border open, would not, after all, be affected.

However, should vaccines and active substances move toward third countries and out of the bloc, it would use “all the instruments at its disposal”, it warned.

Mr Bassett, Ireland’s former ambassador to Canada, Jamaica and the Bahamas, told Express.co.uk: “The Irish establishment is in shock by the whole episode.”

Taoiseach Micheal Martin, in particular, had appeared to be “completely deflated” by the developments, seeming “very downbeat” in conversation with the BBC’s Andrew Marr on Sunday, Mr Bassett said.

He added: “Irish political figures are showing understanding in public but in private they are deeply troubled by the Commission's actions.

“The image of the EU, and in particular Ursula von der Leyen, has taken a very bad knock in Ireland.”