EU unhappy with astrazeneca

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

i was referring to best efforts to produce the vaccine by a given date, which is why they started to scale up production 6 months ago.

Your interpretation to what the best efforts referred to.
Other notable sources disagree with you.

your being obtuse for the sake of it, large sections of the contract have been posted on here, and you can read it on the EU's website. I've got the bookmarked version saved on my computer where the idiots at the eu left the book marks on that tells you what all the redacted statements are.

It's open to interpretation to what the phrase refers.

 

[ajohn]

Gee wizz the eu is stockpiling vaccines as well
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work...ublic-health/coronavirus-vaccines-strategy_en

Pity orders don't match supply. Ours do of course we have 40million of them. Really?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

i was referring to best efforts to produce the vaccine by a given date, which is why they started to scale up production 6 months ago.

Your interpretation to what the best efforts referred to.
Other notable sources disagree with you.

your being obtuse for the sake of it, large sections of the contract have been posted on here, and you can read it on the EU's website. I've got the bookmarked version saved on my computer where the idiots at the eu left the book marks on that tells you what all the redacted statements are.

It's open to interpretation to what the phrase refers.

AstraZeneca contract includes UK as 'best effort' base for output to EU
By Philip Blenkinsop, Alistair Smout

4 MIN READ

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission’s contract with AstraZeneca to supply COVID-19 vaccines includes Britain along with the EU as places where the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker should make its best efforts to manufacture vaccines for the EU.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-europe-astrazneca-idUSKBN29Y1ED
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But, naturally, it's me being obtuse.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

take it up with the BBC himmagin

they have a complaints procedure

let us know how you get on

You presented it as your opinion.
Therefore it's disingenuous of you to drag the BBC into our discussion.

 

[transam]

You presented it as your opinion.
Therefore it's disingenuous of you to drag the BBC into our discussion.

I refer the hounarable forum member to my previous answers

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I refer the hounarable forum member to my previous answers

I refer the hounarable (sic) forum member to my current and repeated responses.

 

[fillyboy]

Labour MP issues humiliating apology after attacking 'dumb' UK for rejecting EU jab scheme (msn.com)

Last summer Hornsey and Wood Green MP Catherine West condemned the Prime Minister's decision to opt-out of the EU's jabs rollout last summer, describing the decision as "dumb and dumber". Remainers accused Mr Johnson of putting lives at risk and placing Brexit before the pandemic with the decision not to participate in the scheme.

Since coronavirus vaccines were approved for emergency use, the UK's immunisation programme has operated far more smoothly than the EU's.

Ms West wrote on Twitter this morning: "Last year, I tweeted about the EU vaccine scheme.

"My tweet has proven to be wrong, and I've now apologised and deleted it.

"Our NHS is doing a great job and I'll continue supporting the effort to vaccine Britain."

 

[transam]

I refer the hounarable (sic) forum member to my current and repeated responses.

than it would appear that there is nothing more to be said on the subject

I would also like to remind the on erable member him a gin that he is not in charge of this place and does not write the rules

the on erable transam will not retract his statement unless clear evidence is presented to him

and as no such evidence is forth coming he is unable to be of further assistance to the on erable member him a gin on this particular subject

 

[motorbiking]

Best Reasonable efforts does permit a company to impose commercial restrictions on the effort. If for example it was possible to supply the vaccine from the UK without impacting other commercial obligations, then it would be reasonable. If doing so meant it would impact other commercial contracts then AZ could decline. I think its clear that such a contract exists. I think too much media hype is hanging on a few legal bods saying "It could impose a duty on AZ to manufacture in the UK". That doesn't mean another commercial penalty would have to be ignored.

 

[^woody^]

"My tweet has proven to be wrong, and I've now apologised and deleted it.

"Our NHS is doing a great job and I'll continue supporting the effort to vaccine Britain."

What a poxy non-apology.

She was wrong, not the tweet, but she can't admit it. Neither can she have the integrity to leave her tweet for all to see, right or wrong, no she wants hide it and hope it fades away.

An worse of all, it was not the NHS who left the EU vaccination scheme and chose to go it alone. It was the Government who made that decision along with the vaccine procurement, so she should be praising them. But like all whinging leftie remoaners, they just can't face up to that.

 

[^woody^]

Best Reasonable efforts does permit a company to impose commercial restrictions on the effort. If for example it was possible to supply the vaccine from the UK without impacting other commercial obligations, then it would be reasonable. If doing so meant it would impact other commercial contracts then AZ could decline. I think too much media hype is hanging on a few legal bods saying "It could impose a duty on AZ to manufacture in the UK". That doesn't mean another commercial penalty would have to be ignored.

I suspect that if the EU had a valid legal case, they would be pursuing it by now rather than trying to shame the company or even activating the extreme article 16.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I suspect that if the EU had a valid legal case, they would be pursuing it by now rather than trying to shame the company or even activating the extreme article 16.

They stated that they preferred an acceptable compromise rather than the legal route, leaving the way open for AZ to meet them with a compromise.
We may not have heard the last of that yet. But the political furore has been extinguished.
The shaming of the company obviously worked.

 

[fillyboy]

Even the S Irish PM isn't upset about what the EU did just logical about it. Strawmen are far more interesting. His country have done very well out of Brexit due to it being seen as an easy route into the EU.

EU vaccine: Ireland breaks ranks to savage von der Leyen over vaccine threat | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

EU civil war: Ireland breaks ranks to savage von der Leyen over vaccine threat
IRELAND'S foreign minister, Simon Coveney, has broken ranks to hit out at the EU's move to override part of the Northern Ireland protocol.
By BILL MCLOUGHLIN
PUBLISHED: 14:50, Mon, Feb 1, 2021 | UPDATED: 15:27, Mon, Feb 1, 2021

Last week, Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced plans to invoke Article 16 and carry out emergency provisions to stop vaccines passing through to Northern Ireland. In an embarrassing moment for Brussels, Ms von der Leyen was forced to revoke the threat amid outrage from officials in Ireland and Britain. Not only did Mr Coveney insist the EU had made a mistake but he also issued a warning to Ms von der Leyen.

He said: “I think it was a mistake that everybody recognises should not have happened.
"I mean in simple terms, you do not touch the protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland without full consultation with the people who are most impacted by it.
"The Irish government, the British government and, perhaps most importantly, political leaders in Northern Ireland.
"That's what happened on Friday, which should not have happened.
“And I think lessons have been learned as a result of that, and it certainly won't happen again."

Although he added that he supports Ms von der Leyen, Mr Coveney insisted the EU Commission had made a serious mistake by not consulting the Irish government.
Despite revoking the threat to invoke Article 16, Brussels introduced a scheme which will require companies exporting from the EU to seek authorisation from the Commission.
Vaccine supplies will also need to have an exit declaration to track what is exported out of the bloc in detail.

 

[motorbiking]

Shaming? A company that is not making a profit on the first 400m doses and has put almost all of its other projects on hold to prioritise a cure. What commitments did GSK and sonofi make to the world?

 

[ajohn]

Some pundits reckon there wont be any legal action by the EU against AZ as it would take to long. More likely their actions have had the wanted effect and the results have been agreed via another EU female official. Seems it's 9,000,000 doses appearing and more certainty about what AZ intend to do.

The zero profit? That would appear to be down to funding provided by the EU. I don't know what we are paying and we provided funding as well as did some other countries. The other aspect that has been mentioned is how long the zero profit lasts. All I have seen on that is in a link I posted which also mentions a price cap. Maybe that has been exceeded already. The vaccination rates per head of population do show some oddities across countries but it doesn't seem to be possible to find out which ones are being used.

at least filly is mostly posting to empty air now. He might get over it eventually but I have my doubts.

Me well I voted remain on balance. A close call actually as I can see why some would vote that way without nationalism and strawman reasoning being used. I'm also not fond of globalisation but on the other hand do see why it was needed and in some respects nearly all have benefited from it but lots have also suffered the penalties. I do fully understand the demise of many UK manufacturing industries as I was working in it as it declined. I also know why. Unavoidable really down to profit - a simple way of putting it.