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Oh dear! Another one who still thinks he's in the first half of the 20th century. Although I suspect you weren't born then.
It's 2021 now, do try to catch up.
EU unhappy with astrazeneca
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It's 2021 now, do try to catch up.
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Quite, he never takes any notice. He's probably too busy staring out of the window wondering why life is passing him by.
Forget the bit about his pants down, that's not allowed anymore. You really are out of touch, aren't you.
Here we go again with the fake news that is apparently widely accepted but Bobby can't back it up by any evidence.
Isn't it called alternative news when people blatantly make things up and pretend it's fact?
Yawn. I'm out until Bobby Trump's fantasies get to the point where i can't resist calling him out again.
I heard a figure of 1.2bn USA and 0.3uk. I knew that the point I was making was that the EU will have got their zero profit for the funding they put in. Timing pass but the EU contract does mention the UK plant and AZ signed it. I'm inclined to agree with the EU that complete transparency in respect to all vaccines would be a good idea as trusting large companies isn't a good idea.
Boris's comment about must have these manufacturing facilities in the UK is interesting in terms of who owns it. Might be like his we will build a battery factory when it turns out to be Nissan. All ok but companies are fickle. They do what suites at the time. Pfizer is an interesting example. They did have a pretty extensive development site here and abruptly closed it. They had their reasons for doing it but I would suspect some of it was time to demolish 50's and 60's buildings and upgrade.
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Now read the next post, yeah, the one with this in it:
HEALTHCARE & PHARMA
AUGUST 27, 2020
EU pays 336 million euros to secure AstraZeneca's potential COVID-19 vaccine
The deal covers development, liability and other costs faced by the vaccine maker.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-vaccine-price-idUSKBN25N25X
And then if you want to refute the facts that I provide, by all means present your alternative facts, supported by your links to your alternative sources.AUGUST 27, 2020
EU pays 336 million euros to secure AstraZeneca's potential COVID-19 vaccine
The deal covers development, liability and other costs faced by the vaccine maker.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-vaccine-price-idUSKBN25N25X
Isn't it called b*shoite when people make ludicrous comments.
That makes no reference at all to EU money funding support or supply of british vaccines.
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That was in EU's comments about justifying the supply of vaccines for EU from UK.
If you missed that, don't blame me for your lack of information.
For example:
AstraZeneca is mainly produced in the UK, while the UK's supplies of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine come from the company's Belgian plant.
The row could affect supplies to the UK of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
An AstraZeneca partner plant in Belgium involved in the "viral vector" process - the delivery of genetic material into cells - is thought to be the problem.
But one German member of the European Parliament, Peter Liese, told Reuters news agency that the statement that there were difficulties in the EU supply chain but not elsewhere was "flimsy" and there should be "no problem to get the vaccine from the UK to the continent".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55805903
The row could affect supplies to the UK of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
An AstraZeneca partner plant in Belgium involved in the "viral vector" process - the delivery of genetic material into cells - is thought to be the problem.
But one German member of the European Parliament, Peter Liese, told Reuters news agency that the statement that there were difficulties in the EU supply chain but not elsewhere was "flimsy" and there should be "no problem to get the vaccine from the UK to the continent".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55805903
We all know that Pfizer vaccines aren't make in the UK. You originally stated that the EU manufactured AZ vaccines were supplied to the UK and stated that it was a generally accepted fact because the EU said it was. Are you back peddling from that now or is it still one of your 'alternative facts'?
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Not back peddling at all. You will appreciate that a lot of information has been provided in the last few days. Just because you missed it the first time does not mean it doesn't exist.
When I find that information again, I'll provide it for you. You'll just have to be patient.
When I find that information again, I'll provide it for you. You'll just have to be patient.
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I'll look forward to it. I think i'll be waiting for a while as it doesn't exist.
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You just missed it the first time round.
Does everything not exist unless you've seen it personally?
It's intention to do that and the reason it was going that way is the rest of the world. It forms an umbrella to shelter countries from it and gives it it's own clout. Some don't want a USA lead NATO etc or the USD trading controls hence noises in that direction. They don't want USA foreign policy either. Some want their own. You name it and they want it.
Before I retired I had contact with some pretty senior people. Not main board but the level under that who are more involved in doing. The subject of the EU came up with one from the USA at a bar having a drink. He laughed and said if they could ever get that lot to work together it really would be something.
They like to forget things like Eurofighter and Airbus and this one didn't mention euro cars hitting the USA streets. Japanese too. On the other hand he is entirely correct. Different languages add to the problem but the main one is politicians. Domestic ones. It's interesting that the cost of being in it is mostly levelling up at a country level. Even we have had some of that back.
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When a known 'fact' demander and 'fake news' accuser makes a claim that i don't think is correct, won't back it up with evidence and tries to bulldoze it through as fact by claiming its 'generally accepted', yes i want to see it personally.You just missed it the first time round.
Does everything not exist unless you've seen it personally?
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Here's a snippet:
She announced that another meeting will take place Wednesday. Earlier in the day, Kyriakides announced the plans for the next export controls, while making clear the Commission's suspicions that AstraZeneca had shipped vaccine elsewhere.
"The European Union wants to know exactly which doses have been produced by AstraZeneca and where exactly so far and if or to whom they have been delivered," Kyriakides said
One EU diplomat said AstraZeneca gave two reasons for the production shortfall, related to materials sourcing and manufacturing problems at a plant in Belgium, but the diplomats said the company had failed to substantiate those claims with evidence. That led to speculation among Commission officials and EU national officials that AstraZeneca had shipped doses manufactured in Belgium to other customers, only to realize that production was not moving fast enough to meet contractual obligations to the EU
https://www.politico.eu/article/enr...ortfall-eu-calls-for-vaccine-export-controls/
In fact, EU officials point out to me that EU money went into upgrading the facilities in the UK and that they fully expected it to be operational for them...
the UK sites should be used to transport the vaccines across the continent.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55822602
I'll add to it, as I find."The European Union wants to know exactly which doses have been produced by AstraZeneca and where exactly so far and if or to whom they have been delivered," Kyriakides said
One EU diplomat said AstraZeneca gave two reasons for the production shortfall, related to materials sourcing and manufacturing problems at a plant in Belgium, but the diplomats said the company had failed to substantiate those claims with evidence. That led to speculation among Commission officials and EU national officials that AstraZeneca had shipped doses manufactured in Belgium to other customers, only to realize that production was not moving fast enough to meet contractual obligations to the EU
https://www.politico.eu/article/enr...ortfall-eu-calls-for-vaccine-export-controls/
In fact, EU officials point out to me that EU money went into upgrading the facilities in the UK and that they fully expected it to be operational for them...
the UK sites should be used to transport the vaccines across the continent.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55822602
I'll expect a full apology from you when my claim is substantiated.
Just another bit of info unrelated to the current discussion, but I thought I'd add it here rather than look for another more suitable place for it, from the same link as above:
AstraZeneca was awarded the EU's first and most anticipated vaccine contract in August, and in exchange received a giant prepayment.
Kyriakides on Monday said the EU had yet to see dividends. "The European Union has pre-financed the development of the vaccine
Kyriakides on Monday said the EU had yet to see dividends. "The European Union has pre-financed the development of the vaccine
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And that is exactly my point, everything in the link above is speculation by an EU trying to sling mud at AZ and does not even refer explicitly to AZ supplying the UK.
If you ever find any significant evidence of AZ shipping anything more than token doses to the UK, i'll happily apologise. When you don't find that evidence, will you?
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