EVs and drop in fuel duty

[noseall]

Banging the likes of VAT, and other non-related taxes, would be hugely unpopular with non vehicle people.
Why should they pay tax on their chosen goods to 'assist' the government of the day to claim revenue on something they neither own or use?
Would anyone be happy to pay increased taxes for something they never got to use? I wouldn't.

Everyone benefits from roads and vehicles.

 

[SirGalahad]

Fuel Duty raises £28bn so thats just over 2/3 of Test & Trace.

Scrap it.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Fuel Duty raises £28bn so thats just over 2/3 of Test & Trace.

Scrap it.

Or charge for mileage driven.

 

[SirGalahad]

Or charge for mileage driven.

Based on what?

The costs to manage that.

 

[SirGalahad]

It's not a hypothecated tax so you can create taxes elsewhere.

 

[AngleEyes]

Norway is having problems

www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-electric-vehicle-tax

I'm sure they will find a way of recouping some lost revenue from EV vehicles. As long as EV vehicles continue to be cheaper to own and run, everyone's a winner. And the 77% of vehicle ownership being EV, will probably continue to grow.

 

[Tigercubrider]

I think "Problems" is putting it a bit strong?
It's universally understood that if you derive a lot of tax from one thing, that then falls out of favour, you must recoup that tax from some other method.
It could be ownership, milage, specific road use, etc.

 

[IT Minion]

No, this clearly proves that EVs will never work in any circumstances, I have been converted.

 

[joe384]

Whenever the subject of "why don't cyclists paid road tax" comes up on news the MAMILs would always pipe up and point out it's an enviromental tax.

It was changed in 2017 which I felt was a bit unfair as people with huge inefficent cars pay as much as practically everyone else.

The main issue I have against per mileage pricing is that I am sure it will be done in such a way that everyone will end up paying more even if you do 10 miles a year. (I'd imagine they'd probably introduce something like £300 pound flat charge per year plus a mileage charge on top)

 

[AngleEyes]

The main issue I have against per mileage pricing is that I am sure it will be done in such a way that everyone will end up paying more even if you do 10 miles a year. (I'd imagine they'd probably introduce something like £300 pound flat charge per year plus a mileage charge on top)

Of course there would be no other (acceptable) way of introducing a higher tax income unless it's hidden in a new system.

 

[SirGalahad]

I think "Problems" is putting it a bit strong?
It's universally understood that if you derive a lot of tax from one thing, that then falls out of favour, you must recoup that tax from some other method.
It could be ownership, milage, specific road use, etc.

The issue is the admin costs in raising the tax. A mileage based one will be open to abuse.

 

[Tigercubrider]

A milage based one is relatively simple -
Tax vehicles even electric.
Make each vehicle report to an Mot station on a regular basis.- even if MOTs aren't required within the first three years.
Enter the milage and if necessary refund some tax or credit it.

a simpler system involving newer technology would be a smart meter type device that sends data.
Yes "Milage Correction" is possible but harder with digital dashes

 

[Brigade77]

Correct me if I'm wrong, & as you all well know I am incredibly stupid, but isn't road fuel duty a mileage based tax???

I've said it before & I'll say it again, forward looking economists are predicting that when fossil fuel vehicles are finally extinct then they will be replaced by as few as 40% of the current numbers !

Why are you all worrying about how you will pay your taxes? You should be worrying about how you're going to get to work. Many of us live in at least a 2x car household & many of us enjoy being able to afford the running costs & TCO without too much hardship.

THEY ARE GOING TO TAX US OFF THE ROADS. In my lifetime I predict private car ownership will shrink back to the levels of the 60's. If you can afford to buy one you will struggle with the running costs, unless you have a large disposable income or NEED a private vehicle the chances are you will be reliant on public transport for much of your needs.

Many early adopters of EV's are now moaning & whingeing about the astronomical TCO of going green. Paying per mile travelled & artificially enhanced £per KWh is going to be only part of the future costs of running an EV.

(Incidentally, if you think that an increased cost of electricity to charge an EV will work well, then consider that charging a vehicle from an unapproved power source is a LOT less risky than running on red diesel or vegetable oil . . . .

 

[AngleEyes]

No, this clearly proves that EVs will never work in any circumstances, I have been converted.

Don't you mean transformed?

 

[SirGalahad]

A milage based one is relatively simple -
Tax vehicles even electric.
Make each vehicle report to an Mot station on a regular basis.- even if MOTs aren't required within the first three years.
Enter the milage and if necessary refund some tax or credit it.

a simpler system involving newer technology would be a smart meter type device that sends data.
Yes "Milage Correction" is possible but harder with digital dashes

It's easier with digital dashes to adjust the mileage and it isn't illegal.