This is one of the major problems with the new legislation that has been discussed (here and elsewhere), since it does not seem to offer any option to get a 'second opinion', even if the initial EICR appears to be crazy.Would it be better to ask for another EICR to be made by another electrician to compare and challenge this one? Is that legal or am I held by this EICR now. It says I have to do the works before the 22/03, time is limited.
Quite so - and not only does the report clearly indicate that there were no RCDs, but one assumes that (in the absence of specific details) many of the observations coded as C2 relate to an alleged absence of any RCD protection.There is no mention of any RCD protection at all in your EICR nor any test results for them so the report clearly does not accurately represent the true condition of your installation. If they got this obvious thing wrong, what else may be wrong in the report?
I presume that you mean "...which should be C1" I'll change it to either or both of these:I presume that you mean "...which should be C1..."? Did you see this recent one posted here? ...
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It may not have happened to you but, as we've seen, it seems to be becoming an increasing problem. I have to say that, if it were me, I would, at the very least, be annoyed to be paying out for something that I didn't believe needed doing, even if it was not a great expense.
We're hearing of cases of plastic CUs being given C2s. Would you be happy to pay for a CU replacement if that 'happened to you'?
One of the problems we've discussed here is that the legislation does not seem to offer that option. It would seem that if the landlord has not remedied all C1/C2s within 28 days of the date of the initial EICR, he/she would then be in breach of the law, and (as far as I can make out) the only apparent 'appeals' processes only seem to become available after the LA have reacted because the law has been broken.
That, of course, is 'the answer'. IF one has access to an inspector who one can totally trust to be competent and sensible (and not 'on the make'), then there is no problem. However, most landlords are not in your position and are 'in the laps of the gods' when selecting an inspector - with some of the results that we have seen here.
Kind Regards, John
In the context of the PRS legislation (at least, if one takes it literally), I'm not sure what your mean by that. As I understand it, one has to be able to provide, within 28 days, evidence that anything coded as C2/C1 on the initial EICR has been 'remedied'. I'm not sure that changes if a 'competent person' undertaking the remedial work doesn't believe that some of the C2/C1s coded by someone else actually require any 'remedy' (i.e. should not have been coded as they were).Any coding by an inspector can be signed off/corrected by another competant person so no real appeal needed.
Sure, but the sad thing is that many landlords are going to (unwittingly) be stuck with inspectors rather different from the ones that you and I trust and could recommend. The worse thing of all is that most landlords will, understandably, not even realise that they are suffering (financially) at the hands of ('professional') people that they had assumed they could trust - the more decent/responsible of them will simply pay for what 'a professional' has indicated needs to be done, in the belief that they are acting in the interests of the safety of their tenants (as well as complying with the law).Yes I realise I am in a very fortunate position but even more fortunately for others, the people I know do not actually treat me any different, realistically any landlord will get the same accurate report from them.
As I understand the system, and I'd genuinly prefer to be wrong on this one, documentation has to be attached to the original report to demontrate the 'fault has been rectified' and this can be in many forms, ie a broken socket simply requires a receipt for a replacement?In the context of the PRS legislation (at least, if one takes it literally), I'm not sure what your mean by that. As I understand it, one has to be able to provide, within 28 days, evidence that anything coded as C2/C1 on the initial EICR has been 'remedied'.
There will always be the work creation schemes, just like my dentist in the 60's who would always produce a list of problems at every visit, however all the time it is down to the opinion of the inspecter and not hard cold facts there is little we can do to avoid that problem other than your MOT analogy, which I'm in agreement with.I'm not sure that changes if a 'competent person' undertaking the remedial work doesn't believe that some of the C2/C1s coded by someone else actually require any 'remedy' (i.e. should not have been coded as they were).Sure, but the sad thing is that many landlords are going to (unwittingly) be stuck with inspectors rather different from the ones that you and I trust and could recommend. The worse thing of all is that most landlords will, understandably, not even realise that they are suffering (financially) at the hands of ('professional') people that they had assumed they could trust - the more decent/responsible of them will simply pay for what 'a professional' has indicated needs to be done, in the belief that they are acting in the interests of the safety of their tenants (as well as complying with the law).
As I've said many times, I think there is probably a need for those who undertake 'landlord EICRs' to be in some way 'licensed'/registered so to do. If that were the case, just as with MOT inspectors etc., if it were found that they were incompetent or, worse, were trying to 'invent work' for themselves, then their licence to undertake such EICRs could be revoked.
Kind Regards, John
That is also my understanding.As I understand the system, and I'd genuinly prefer to be wrong on this one, documentation has to be attached to the original report to demontrate the 'fault has been rectified' and this can be in many forms, ie a broken socket simply requires a receipt for a replacement?
Of course, but you are making the big mistake of 'talking common sense', whereas we are talking about 'the law'Surely in that situation electrician number 2 could just issue a new satisfactory EICR. It will be virtually a copy and paste job from the EIC so is very little extra work.
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