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71x 24hrs= 1704hrs div by37=46 weeks a year that leaves 6 weeks to fill so annual leave 4 weeks ?? plus public holidays easily take it to 52
not exact figures but fairly compatable with a skilled professional in other industries except the pay off course which is on the low side
i'd sack every single striker no matter what profession they were if i was in charge!
wages would go down short term but eventually they would stabilise as no one would work for nothing!
wages would go down short term but eventually they would stabilise as no one would work for nothing!
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DIYDANDY
Would you? Think about it...
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joinerjohn
This is more than pilot officers are paid in the RAF. And you think these firemen are skilled??
What does that make the RAF pilot by comparison? A shoeshine boy???
you've lost me there all i have done is take your figures and convert then into a form that's easier to compare no more no less
then you introduce a pilot into the equation retrospectively then make an irrational assumption on my thoughts??
strange
Ask anyone who has applied for a firemans job - competition for places is stiff. how many? 10, 20, 30 or more? i don't actually know, but they can pick and choose the cream of the applicants and still turn away good candidates.
oh, and if you are a white male, you might as well forget it. just ask the fbu, they're still looking for more women and ethnics.
by the way, according to the fbu, your average fireman earns £28,199 a year, not the £33k quoted earlier. maybe that's a london weighting thing?
if someone dies due to this strike, i hope some bright spark works out a way to bring a civl prosecution against the union.
oh, and if you are a white male, you might as well forget it. just ask the fbu, they're still looking for more women and ethnics.
by the way, according to the fbu, your average fireman earns £28,199 a year, not the £33k quoted earlier. maybe that's a london weighting thing?
if someone dies due to this strike, i hope some bright spark works out a way to bring a civl prosecution against the union.
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joinerjohn
Must admit All . your maths has lost me. The average Joe working 5 days a week with 4 weeks holiday still manages to work 240 days per year. Ok take off the 8 bank hols that leaves 232 days at work every year.
Firemen only work a total of 142 days. They get perks that others don't . As I mentioned paid maternity., paternity and or pre-adoption leave.
In London a firefighter earns £33'220. This is £600 per year more than the average wage in London . It's more than Policemen, nurses and RAF pilots earn. They can retire on a full pension at the age of 50 (as long as they have 30yrs of service).
And they have the cheek to grumble about some petty shift changes?.
I just hope they don't expect any public sympathy during the strike. Which will undoubtedly put members of the public at severe risk.
As Studips says. If someone dies due to the strike, I too hope their relatives take the FBU to court. Not that their General Secretary will lose much sleep over it. Matt Wrack last year received over £120,00 in salary, pension contributions and company car perks.
At least he can sleep easily at night.
Firemen only work a total of 142 days. They get perks that others don't . As I mentioned paid maternity., paternity and or pre-adoption leave.
In London a firefighter earns £33'220. This is £600 per year more than the average wage in London . It's more than Policemen, nurses and RAF pilots earn. They can retire on a full pension at the age of 50 (as long as they have 30yrs of service).
And they have the cheek to grumble about some petty shift changes?.
I just hope they don't expect any public sympathy during the strike. Which will undoubtedly put members of the public at severe risk.
As Studips says. If someone dies due to the strike, I too hope their relatives take the FBU to court. Not that their General Secretary will lose much sleep over it. Matt Wrack last year received over £120,00 in salary, pension contributions and company car perks.
At least he can sleep easily at night.
yes but they are doing 2 days work per night shift
any way i am not making a point for or against i am just trying to provide information as acuratley as i can and in a way that helps people form there own opinions
any way i vote we go for foil wrapped biscuits in edinburgh and hope we get somthing else
realy fancy fish and chips
any way i am not making a point for or against i am just trying to provide information as acuratley as i can and in a way that helps people form there own opinions
any way i vote we go for foil wrapped biscuits in edinburgh and hope we get somthing else
realy fancy fish and chips
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Mickymoody
When you are in the scenario of risking life and limb, every time you are called out, only to put out yet another minor car fire on waste ground, that would have burned itself out anyway, the eagerness of the 'big one', overcomes the disappointment, of all the 'non' calls. So complacency sets in, and with that, work to rule, 'Oh do we really need to attend, send someone else..',
I know a firefighter, that was the engine driver, and he 'fell' from the cab, and hurt his back, he now lives in Spain on a very nice pension thankyouverymuch, but seems pretty mobile to me. Shortly before this 'accident' he had a 5 bed house, on a housing estate, that consisted of entirely firemen, right next door to the station, so they were in each others pockets, and yes, most did have a 2nd trade.
I had a similar experience, although life and limb weren't at risk. Phoned up, there is a printer out of paper, 60 miles from where you are, you must change it immediately, so 120 mile round trip, 20 minutes before the end of your shift, when you are back on early doors...
As opposed to an Asda store server has just died, there are 1000 people queing, unable to checkout, 5 minutes before end of shift. I jump at it, even if I was there all night. Anyone that does callouts would understand.
The pain in the ass to drive all that way to change a paper roll, but the glory you get getting a big store online, you are treated like a God on arrival.
Take the rough with the smooth, isn't a generic feel, you want the glory, but not the mundane.
I think the firefighters are used to the mundane, mundane, mundane, and never receive the glory.
I know a firefighter, that was the engine driver, and he 'fell' from the cab, and hurt his back, he now lives in Spain on a very nice pension thankyouverymuch, but seems pretty mobile to me. Shortly before this 'accident' he had a 5 bed house, on a housing estate, that consisted of entirely firemen, right next door to the station, so they were in each others pockets, and yes, most did have a 2nd trade.
I had a similar experience, although life and limb weren't at risk. Phoned up, there is a printer out of paper, 60 miles from where you are, you must change it immediately, so 120 mile round trip, 20 minutes before the end of your shift, when you are back on early doors...
As opposed to an Asda store server has just died, there are 1000 people queing, unable to checkout, 5 minutes before end of shift. I jump at it, even if I was there all night. Anyone that does callouts would understand.
The pain in the ass to drive all that way to change a paper roll, but the glory you get getting a big store online, you are treated like a God on arrival.
Take the rough with the smooth, isn't a generic feel, you want the glory, but not the mundane.
I think the firefighters are used to the mundane, mundane, mundane, and never receive the glory.
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imamartian
You go to work for a company who is trying to achieve something, managed by people who can (?) effectively run that company. Therefore, they have decided they need to change the shift patterns..you are paid to accept that... it doesn't matter whether it affects your bingo night, or whether you can get childcare... get real !!! You don't have to like it... but you do have to accept it.
strange comments you are assuming the management are right by your comments overiding your question marks and suggest they accept the outcome
they have both signed a contract off employment which is a legal document
they cannot be dissaplined or punished if they work to the contract BY LAW
they are in negotiations the employer chooses to try and break the legal contract is it wrong that the firefighter get the aarse and counter the measures
unlike the employers who seem to be free without legal recourse to threaten to sack people the unions must hold a ballet and give a weeks warning off there action
both sides in this argument of course have an agenda but you seem to think contracts only apply to one side
just remember the only reason the unions flourished in the public sector was because they where poorly paid and there skills where only within the public sector so not transferable
of course now these a bit more choice with council/government run services taken over but not all
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joinerjohn
Just wait till Santa Claus decides to strike on Dec 24th for 24 hrs.
The country will be up in arms about that.
The country will be up in arms about that.
They are maybe only at work for 142 shifts per year, however if you work it out in hours at work it becomes comparable to people who work a normal Mon-Fri job.
They also work unsociable hours, Xmas etc.
I think a firemans job is skilled yes, I wouldn't like to try and compare two jobs which are like chalk and cheese.
I wouldn't expect an RAF pilot to get put in full kit / acid suit, wearing BA and shoved into a dark (possibly burning) building with no visiability and no idea of the layout and told to find a body.
Just like I wouldn't expect a fireman to fly a jet.
I have full respect for both the forementioned jobs.
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