Fossil fuel / climate protestors

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Whilst it's obviously true all drivers should be in full control of their vehicle at all times, it's still a (very) bitter pill to swallow if someone ends up losing a loved one or indeed their own life due to an incident that very likely wouldn't have occurred had the underlying cause (in this case protests) not taken place.

Cause and effect.

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Pictured: Mother who died in M20 crash while ambulance was delayed

Eco protesters have been accused of having 'blood on their hands' after two women died on the M20 during the Just Stop Oil protest on Dartford Bridge. Pictured, one of the victims Lisa Webber.
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Still, I'm sure the world's big polluters are taking considerable note of these protestors doing stuff like gluing themselves to car showroom floors. I'm confident the likes of India and China will be seriously reviewing their climate policies in light of these protestors ...
 
China spends a lot on the problem but has rather a lot to fix. More spent than the rest of the world if those were combined has been mentioned. By a USA politician as well. I've seen charts suggesting similar.

You need to look at co2 per head of population accounting for imports to get a clear picture of the scope of the problem. If we reduce ours to zero we will still be importing.
 
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Ihavenojob said:
I wonder if the ropes supporting the terrorists were nylon, and if so, do they know where nylon comes from?
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I thought a little red sticker on all items that make use of or need to use "fossil" fuels would be a good idea as that way the protesters could avoid buying them. Maybe a week or so of rotating black outs or a serous reduction in street lighting might make things clearer.

If they made noises about speeding up decarbonisation that were feasible I have some sympathy for them.
 
When you are aware that the Met Police infiltrate 'protest' groups with rampant abandon to gather intell . . . . .

www.bbc.co.uk

Deceived activist Kate Wilson wins tribunal against Met Police

Kate Wilson met the undercover officer while he was posing as an environmental campaigner in 2003.
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Then it beggars my belief that the authorities don't have all the intell they need to PREVENT these 'protests' happening.

I wonder why that may be???
 
Dork Lard said:
When you are aware that the Met Police infiltrate 'protest' groups with rampant abandon to gather intell . . . . .

www.bbc.co.uk

Deceived activist Kate Wilson wins tribunal against Met Police

Kate Wilson met the undercover officer while he was posing as an environmental campaigner in 2003.
www.bbc.co.uk

Then it beggars my belief that the authorities don't have all the intell they need to PREVENT these 'protests' happening.

I wonder why that may be???
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Because it was in 2003?
 
ajohn said:
I thought a little red sticker on all items that make use of or need to use "fossil" fuels would be a good idea as that way the protesters could avoid buying them. Maybe a week or so of rotating black outs or a serous reduction in street lighting might make things clearer.

If they made noises about speeding up decarbonisation that were feasible I have some sympathy for them.
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The first think we need to do is stop using the stuff when alternatives are possible, as for synthetics derived from oil, well the carbon is still mostly locked up in the end material. and if the end product is useful and can get more than a one-off use, then no one is complaining.

back to the OP, very sad story and my full sympathies to the family, but the vast majority of blame has to go to the speeding BMW driver! That was the main cause. and lets not forget the est 5,000 a year who die from the pollution created from petrol and diesel transport here in the UK anually.

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andy11 said:
It might not be very eloquently put but in those 4 sentences Transam has actually hit the nail on the head.
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i don't see it like that. It's more a case of over simplification which often leads to exaggeration an area all campaigners tend to get into what ever it's about. Also in the particular case lack of knowledge which has even already cropped up in these posts.

There is a problem and the most important aspect is getting shut of it as soon as possible. Some aspects can be misleading for a variety of reasons. Car speeds is one of them.
 
ajohn said:
i don't see it like that. It's more a case of over simplification which often leads to exaggeration
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It's more like an ideological argument based on a false premise, i.e. "they're all a bunch of fruit cakes".
transam said:
bunch of fruit cakes and dead beats imo
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As soon as you disprove the premise, the argument falls apart.
 
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