France waking up

[blightymam]

You don't seem to have thought this through.

Ditto.
Laws can be changed.

So do you think that France can change UN law?

Some laws become outdated as circumstances change.

Sure, but there's a world of difference (s'cuse the pun) between having a man with a red flag walking in front of a vehicle, and stripping someone of their nationality.
One example is only of national interest and can easily be changed. The other example is of international importance and would require the modification of the UDHR, which would probably require agreement by all signatories, at UN level.

If it was possible, to where would France deport these stateless people?

So you agree that laws can be changed. We got there in the end.

Right, Nicolas Sarkozy today said that all 11,500 people in France on the terrorist watch list should be put under house arrest. So that's 11,500 people who want to hurt non Muslim people. So if just a small percentage, say 100 of those bastards want to act on their thoughts and manage to kill like the man in the lorry on Bastille day, that would be over 8,000 more innocent French lives lost. Simply because they are not Muslim. 'Simply'.
Obviously this is just a 'what if' example, but you would agree that the French prime minister has a duty to try and protect it's people and is trying to find a way. This is an unusual, terrible and terrifying situation but you'd agree something has to be done yes?

So instead of you always saying what can't be done to everything and everyone is a racist, and must protect innocent Muslims at all costs (which in an idea world is exactly what should be happening but this isn't an idea world). Why don't you actually come up with some constructive ideas instead? Any thoughts on how to solve this problem? You just seem to always be very negative. It's very easy to slam down ideas but not so easy to find a solution to this.

 

[Himaginn]

I don't think you understood my comment, perhaps because you don't inhabit the real world.
If the situation becomes bad enough anything can happen, and international laws and treaties will take a poor second place to what may then be perceived as being in the national interest.
in other words if the French people start to feel that they or their children are not safe to walk down a street they will demand and get action.
They have already seen one mad muslim deliberately driving a 20 ton truck through a street full of people ffs. How much more of that kind of thing do you think they will take? I'll give you a clue, it won't take many of those type of incidents.

Some, just as much on here as anywhere, seem to be wishing and hoping for exacerbation of war and violence.

“Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

“War is what happens when language fails.”

―Margaret Atwood

You seem to be inventing excuses and stories to incite violence and preaching for a violent reaction against Muslims.
Why?

“Only a fool wants war"

Bernard Cornwell

 

[Himaginn]

So you agree that laws can be changed. We got there in the end.

but there's a world of difference (s'cuse the pun) between having a man with a red flag walking in front of a vehicle, and stripping someone of their nationality.
One example is only of national interest and can easily be changed. The other example is of international importance and would require the modification of the UDHR, which would probably require agreement by all signatories, at UN level.
If you think that such laws, as stripping people of their nationality, are easily changed:

Laws can be changed.

you're mistaken.
Do you honestly think that all the signatories to the UDHR, never mind the members of UN, will agree to allow stripping of nationality. And even if they did, where would these stateless people go?
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Right, Nicolas Sarkozy today said that all 11,500 people in France on the terrorist watch list should be put under house arrest.

That's very different from stripping them of their nationality and deporting them.
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So that's 11,500 people who want to hurt non Muslim people.

They're indiscriminate about who they hurt or kill.

So if just a small percentage, say 100 of those bastards want to act on their thoughts and manage to kill like the man in the lorry on Bastille day, that would be over 8,000 more innocent French lives lost. Simply because they are not Muslim.

They're indiscriminate about who they hurt or kill.
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'Simply'.
Obviously this is just a 'what if' example, but you would agree that the French prime minister has a duty to try and protect it's people and is trying to find a way. This is an unusual, terrible and terrifying situation but you'd agree something has to be done yes?

I'm not arguing about what should be done, what ought to be done, how horrific are the atrocities, so please don't try to shift the argument.
I'm merely pointing out: you cannot legally strip anyone of their nationality, nor can you deport your own citizens, irrespective of the inhumanity of their crime.
So please don't move the argument or invent different ones.
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So instead of you always saying what can't be done to everything

On this occasion it was relevant, relative and appropriate.
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and and everyone is a racist, and must protect innocent Muslims at all costs (which in an idea world is exactly what should be happening but this isn't an idea world).

You're doing an Elfi and shifting the argument or inventing new ones. That is not the current argument.

 

[handyjack]

Ever tried to think what someone on the forum looks like based on their postings?

This is how I see/imagine Immy

 

[Himaginn]

I don't think you understood my comment, perhaps because you don't inhabit the real world.
If the situation becomes bad enough anything can happen, and international laws and treaties will take a poor second place to what may then be perceived as being in the national interest.
in other words if the French people start to feel that they or their children are not safe to walk down a street they will demand and get action.
They have already seen one mad muslim deliberately driving a 20 ton truck through a street full of people ffs. How much more of that kind of thing do you think they will take? I'll give you a clue, it won't take many of those type of incidents.

Some, just as much on here as anywhere, seem to be wishing and hoping for exacerbation of war and violence.

“Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

“War is what happens when language fails.”

―Margaret Atwood

You seem to be inventing excuses and stories to incite violence and preaching for a violent reaction against Muslims.
Why?

“Only a fool wants war"

Bernard Cornwell

And you are the sort to start wars.......................................................you never fooking listen.

Any supporting argument to explain or justify your comment?

Whereas sooey has demonstrated that he's a pathological liar.

 

[Himaginn]

Ever tried to think what someone on the forum looks like based on their postings?

This is how I see/imagine Immy

You must have some sort of supernatural imagination. You don't read my comments, I assume I'm on your ignore list.

Thankfully I don't get to see what dimmy Himmy writes. But I do know that he is a Walter Mitty character who preaches from what he (wrongly) thinks is the moral high ground. He does that because he is a coward and can't put into words what he actually and honestly believes. So, so sad.

Join the ranks of gasbagy type of idiots.

 

[handyjack]

Are they going back to sleep?

French media to stop publishing photos and names of terrorists
Several French news organisations have said they will no longer publish photographs of people responsible for terrorist killings, to avoid bestowing “posthumous glorification”.

Le Monde published an editorial after the latest attack, the murder of an elderly priest in a church near Rouen by two men claiming allegiance to Islamic State. Under the headline “Resisting the strategy of hate”, Le Monde argued on Wednesday that all elements of society had to be involved in the struggle against terrorism, and that media organisations had a special role to play.

“The sites and newspapers that produce this information cannot excuse themselves from self-examination on several fronts. Since Isis terrorism first appeared, Le Monde has changed its practices several times,” the newspaper said.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/27/french-media-to-stop-publishing-photos-and-names-of-terrorists

 

[blightymam]

Ever tried to think what someone on the forum looks like based on their postings?

This is how I see/imagine Immy

Bit better than I envisaged!

 

[HawkEye244]

People should remember that religion is on its way out and by forcing Muslims to live like us is only going to end in more misery. More should be done to hold those who waged war against these people on the back of lies (Bush/Blair etc) to account. Israel came out of fuking these people royally and destroying their families, homes and livelihood, just so the Jews could have somewhere to call their home. This is not on and to be honest as Israel has benefitted from it's relations with US, using their military to create more protection for itself by destroying these people, Israel should be the one to pick up every single migrant. How many does it take in? Not one. Let them deal with all the misery they have campaigned for.

 

[sooey]

You seem to be inventing excuses and stories to incite violence and preaching for a violent reaction against Muslims.
Why?

I have invented nothing, you on the other hand have your head stuck so far into the sand that it's coming out of your arse. The way things are going civil war in this and other European countries is inevitable, only an idiot would want that. So something needs to change and quickly, what exactly I don't know. But I do know that it has to start with getting control of immigration.

 

[Himaginn]

You seem to be inventing excuses and stories to incite violence and preaching for a violent reaction against Muslims.
Why?

I have invented nothing,.

Not a bad start from a liar.

 

[sooey]

As others have told you labelling people is not a very nice way to try to win your argument. As well of course as the fact that you wouldn't dare to say that to my face, says a lot about you.

 

[Himaginn]

As others have told you labeling people is not a very nice way to try to win your argument.

Unless the label is accurate:

That's because of my native american ancestry you racist bstrd.

It is extremely sad when someone exploits the concept of racism to try to ridicule another with an insincere accusation of racism:

My granddad came over from China on a boat before the first world war. He married an English woman, they had kids, who had kids, I'm one of them.
So I am part Chinese if you like. But I'm a born and bred scouser, whether that makes me English or not is another argument.
..........

So the claim to be of North American ancestry was another bit of your made up rubbish!
You're full of excremental stuff like that!

When someone uses an outrageous lie to label another in order to try to win an argument, it's downright dishonest.

 

[sooey]

I used to be like you, took everything literally, very simplistic, couldn't see shades of grey just black and white, fair/unfair, truth/lie, couldn't take a joke, took everything personally, though I was only eight at the time.

 

[noseall]

I used to be like you, took everything literally, very simplistic, couldn't see shades of grey just black and white, fair/unfair, truth/lie, couldn't take a joke, took everything personally, though I was only eight at the time.

You haven't matured much in the last 12 months.