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Richardp said:
Are we witnessing the first scatterings of the seeds of revolution ?
The old Nether-regions have applied the second boot !!
No referendum here .. they've been waiting to see which way the wind blows ... Leading Europe from the back ... Men of Straw !!
The old Nether-regions have applied the second boot !!
Me old Dutch said:
No referendum here .. they've been waiting to see which way the wind blows ... Leading Europe from the back
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Right, since the news that the Dutch have said "NO!" too, the Euro has fallen to an eight-month low against the dollar. Because of the close links between the pound and the dollar, it is also quite low against the pound today.
So, if you have your eye on a cheap car, some cheap booze or a cheap holiday home, now is the time to buy in Europe!
Richard, I am no history expert, but as I understand it the whole "EU preventing war in Europe" is based around France and Germany. They've been at each other's throats since before Germany even existed (i.e. Prussia).
The only wars I am aware of where the Dutch were one of the protagonists/antagonists are wars between the Dutch and the English! Let's see, we've got the Boer War in the 19th century, the Anglo-Dutch wars around the time of the Civil War, also I believe there is a little place in America that was once called "New Amsterdam" until we nicked it off them and renamed it New York!
But, can you honestly picture the UK and the Netherlands getting into a tussle now?
So, if you have your eye on a cheap car, some cheap booze or a cheap holiday home, now is the time to buy in Europe!
Richard, I am no history expert, but as I understand it the whole "EU preventing war in Europe" is based around France and Germany. They've been at each other's throats since before Germany even existed (i.e. Prussia).
The only wars I am aware of where the Dutch were one of the protagonists/antagonists are wars between the Dutch and the English!
Let's see, we've got the Boer War in the 19th century, the Anglo-Dutch wars around the time of the Civil War, also I believe there is a little place in America that was once called "New Amsterdam" until we nicked it off them and renamed it New York! But, can you honestly picture the UK and the Netherlands getting into a tussle now?
AdamW said:The only wars I am aware of where the Dutch were one of the protagonists/antagonists are wars between the Dutch and the English!
History shows that UK always came after the Dutch in 'colonised' regions. (And the Dutch after the Portugees, to be fair). India, China, Africa, America
Portugees to bring 'religion', Dutch to trade and UK to mine, 'cultivate' and rule.
AdamW said:
No, to many English builders in The Netherlands, to many Dutch 'free-entrepreneurs' in the UK and to many UK tourist to the bulbs
WoodYouLike said:History shows that UK always came after the Dutch in 'colonised' regions. (And the Dutch after the Portugees, to be fair). India, China, Africa, America
Yes, the Dutch got to Australia first too... actually wait a minute, didn't Able Tasman (wasn't he Dutch?) discover Tasmania but miss Australia?
I think if the UK government considered declaring war on Holland, they would first have to figure out how to recall all the politicans' children who are in Amsterdam experiencing those things that are illegal at home.
Yup, really can't imagine any danger of war between the two countries that have had just as many wars between them since 1600 than any other two countries in Europe.
You know what it is? I think Bertram Wooster (Wooster of "Jeeves and Wooster") summed it up best when referring to a French cook: "he is foreign, and therefore excitable". The EU was formed because France and Germany were far too excitable until it came into being. So they were metaphorically locked in a room together until they learnt to get along.
There you go, 150 years of European history summed up in a metaphor about naughty children. If I recall correctly some more, weren't a good portion of the wars between the English and the Dutch to do with trade? One of the Anglo-Dutch wars was to do with the Dutch merchants supplying the American dissidents. And the requirement to retain control over the waters around the bottom of South Africa to get to India no doubt played a part in the Boer War (unless the Suez canal was built by then). Or possibly the diamond trade.
I wonder if the Dutch history of trade is at all related to the Dutch ability/keenness to learn foreign languages? I'm yet to meet a Dutchman who doesn't speak at least two languages other than Dutch.
AdamW said:
Do you know why tea was shipped from the Far-East? To keep the cocaine dry! And that has started some wars between English and Dutch
AdamW said:
Stop wondering
Well to leave the joking aside fellas and i dont mean to spoil the fun but---
The european ideal that Damocles and the corrupt scum of Europe wanted to impose on us against our will is now dead thank god, but even more than that it has sparked a crisis in Germany and the other major countries as the NO vote has caused such a shock that they are now saying the Constitution is dead and that means the end of the Superstate.
I think if this panic that is set in deepens then they will rush to save their own political skins and you could actually see the beginning of a break in Europe as already one of the smaller countries Latvia who recieves money has challenged the others to live up to their European agreements and ratified the treaty, which means the goverments of the NO vote countries would have to defy the vote of the people and go ahead with the Constitution in another form. I think things might get a little interesting
Also Britain has got her own way of no limit on working hours which the other EU countries said they would over rule
The european ideal that Damocles and the corrupt scum of Europe wanted to impose on us against our will is now dead thank god, but even more than that it has sparked a crisis in Germany and the other major countries as the NO vote has caused such a shock that they are now saying the Constitution is dead and that means the end of the Superstate.
I think if this panic that is set in deepens then they will rush to save their own political skins and you could actually see the beginning of a break in Europe as already one of the smaller countries Latvia who recieves money has challenged the others to live up to their European agreements and ratified the treaty, which means the goverments of the NO vote countries would have to defy the vote of the people and go ahead with the Constitution in another form. I think things might get a little interesting
Also Britain has got her own way of no limit on working hours which the other EU countries said they would over rule
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B.O.B DOLE
The european ideal that Damocles and the corrupt scum of Europe wanted to impose on us against our will is now dead thank god, said freddie................
Also Britain has got her own way of no limit on working hours which the other EU countries said they would over rule
said freddie.................
BRITAIN?? Whats BRITAIN got.... its ruled by the upper class and 75% owned by the americans... BRITAIN.. Was sold off years ago
10 years from now everyone will be on (slave labour) minimum wage.
AND if you don't like the wage they can easily get some refugee who will.
Also Britain has got her own way of no limit on working hours which the other EU countries said they would over rule
said freddie.................
BRITAIN?? Whats BRITAIN got.... its ruled by the upper class and 75% owned by the americans... BRITAIN.. Was sold off years ago
10 years from now everyone will be on (slave labour) minimum wage.
AND if you don't like the wage they can easily get some refugee who will.
Are you British and living in Britain Bob ?? If you are you should have done or should do something to stop what you dont like happening or get the f--k out and stop moaning.
Thats just what the French did in their country and the Dutch yesterday, no doubt Bob you would have rather the corrupt scum rule over you than the ones who do now
Thats just what the French did in their country and the Dutch yesterday, no doubt Bob you would have rather the corrupt scum rule over you than the ones who do now
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B.O.B DOLE
Freddie said:
no doubt Bob you would have rather the corrupt scum rule over you than the ones who do now. said freddie gob shiat................
so whats your point
the ones who rule us now are scum and yes i tried to do something
i voted for the B.N.P
If I had my life again I'd be B.O.B DOLE
- Albert Einstein
Rather interesting, isn't it? A remarkable opportunity for Blair to fulfill his ambitions to be a hero of Europe. he has a 6 month term coming up as chairman of the EU when he can try to create a new constitution which can be agreed. He would love it, go out after his 10 years as the man who created the new EU.
He let the French have a go at writing a treaty and they made such a dogs breakfast of it that the french population rejected it. A very good chance germany would have too if they had been asked.
I do think the EU are grandstanding. There was a new treaty before enlargement to make the EU run better. A new one after to make it run better. A new one now to make it run better. Does make you wonder whether someone is very bad at writing treaties.
As to subsidising Rover. It has been subsidised since when, heath, Wilson? How long is it worth subsidising something before you should give up and put your money elsewhere. Maggie decided to pull the plug, not the EU. All the Eu does is have agrrements to stop gross subsidies by any of its members of their industry unfairly. If you think about it, this is in everyones interest. The Frency subsidise one pound, so the Germans subsidise 2, so we subsidise 3, then the French go to 4...... Who wins from that?
I find all this talk about the EU being in crisis as amazing. All that has happened is a few politicians have been denied their latest toys. So they will have to make do with the old ones. Which were pretty much like the new ones anyway. Mummy and daddy just told them they will have to wait untill their next birthday.
He let the French have a go at writing a treaty and they made such a dogs breakfast of it that the french population rejected it. A very good chance germany would have too if they had been asked.
I do think the EU are grandstanding. There was a new treaty before enlargement to make the EU run better. A new one after to make it run better. A new one now to make it run better. Does make you wonder whether someone is very bad at writing treaties.
As to subsidising Rover. It has been subsidised since when, heath, Wilson? How long is it worth subsidising something before you should give up and put your money elsewhere. Maggie decided to pull the plug, not the EU. All the Eu does is have agrrements to stop gross subsidies by any of its members of their industry unfairly. If you think about it, this is in everyones interest. The Frency subsidise one pound, so the Germans subsidise 2, so we subsidise 3, then the French go to 4...... Who wins from that?
I find all this talk about the EU being in crisis as amazing. All that has happened is a few politicians have been denied their latest toys. So they will have to make do with the old ones. Which were pretty much like the new ones anyway. Mummy and daddy just told them they will have to wait untill their next birthday.
I find you amazing or should i say predictable, not only do you write rubbish, you champion garbage and then when it's rejected you switch your attack to someone else.
Remember Damocles you were the only one shouting for the constitution on here and now you cant even admit you were wrong
Remember Damocles you were the only one shouting for the constitution on here and now you cant even admit you were wrong
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