French Constitution Vote

[david and julie]

Ha! well wots it come down to? you fella,s getting off on the frogs typically biting the hand that feeds them! dinosaurs all of you, still! at least you've found some soul mates in the french, I guess its an outlet for your cronies losing the general election, french evening classes next then??? he he

Why are we, or the French people, dinosaurs Richard? Facts are the EU is being rammed down the throats of a disgruntled and unwilling public, regardless of nationality.

In reality the constitution would of already have been voted down by Germany had they been given a fair referendum. Their Government, along with most of the others who have ratified by using parliament, have been grossly undemocratic. In the main this was done to avoid a no vote, which was a foregone conclusion in some cases.

In my opinion the French have not voted against the constitution, they have voted against the EU. They can see the waste and rising taxes, the fiddling and corruption, the duplication and red tape. The French are not dinosaurs they are sensible and have their eyes wide open, the Dutch and the UK will do the same.

It is now time for the Eurocrats to realise the experiment is failing due to a lack of public support, a support that was never asked for in the first place.

As regards our own general election I don't follow you, every major party is pro Europe including the tories.

 

[AdamW]

Right, so this is what it comes down to now

Prime Minister Tony Blair says it is too early to say whether Britain will hold a referendum on the EU constitution after the French voted no.

From the BBC website.

So, Blair is now saying "If we have a referendum then the vote might not go in my favour. So we won't have a referendum." Kinda defeats the whole point of a referendum, eh?

 

[masona]

The problem is that Blair will not give up and will find another way round it, they are determine to get England into the EU. Most politicians go into politics not because they want to make the world a better place but because they want the prestige, the power and the money which make them vain & selfish. Blair & top politicians get away with it because they have a nice smile and are photogenic. Next time you see Blair, look at his false smile.

 

[Damocles]

Did we go through a time warp? Blair is trying to get Britain into the EU?

I think that right now there are quite a lot of people who want a period of wait and see before making changes to the EU. Sounds like Maggies plan is working nicely, then.

But that is a very long way from saying either that the EU is failing, or even that people think it is failing. It just means they like it the way it is now.

 

[masona]

Did we go through a time warp? Blair is trying to get Britain into the EU?

We can only talk about who is in power now, Blair is hell bent getting England into EU regardless what we think.

I think that right now there are quite a lot of people who want a period of wait and see before making changes to the EU. Sounds like Maggies plan is working nicely, then.

I think it was Ted Heath government who did a lot of damaged and suppress the truth about entry to the common market in 1971, then Harold Wilson carried it on afterward then Blair now who has taken it to new levels.

But that is a very long way from saying either that the EU is failing, or even that people think it is failing. It just means they like it the way it is now.

Tell me where it's working? The EU guarantees just 2 things, more government and more public spending which neither of these things will be of benefit to the people of England.

 

[Freddie]

Did we go through a time warp? Blair is trying to get Britain into the EU?

We can only talk about who is in power now, Blair is hell bent getting England into EU regardless what we think.

I think that right now there are quite a lot of people who want a period of wait and see before making changes to the EU. Sounds like Maggies plan is working nicely, then.

I think it was Ted Heath government who did a lot of damaged and suppress the truth about entry to the common market in 1971, then Harold Wilson carried it on afterward then Blair now who has taken it to new levels.

But that is a very long way from saying either that the EU is failing, or even that people think it is failing. It just means they like it the way it is now.

Tell me where it's working? The EU guarantees just 2 things, more government and more public spending which neither of these things will be of benefit to the people of England.

All because they make jobs with huge salaries for themselves and the backside lickers at the expense of the poor taxpayer.

Damocles if you knew anything about the truth--the fraud---the waste---the actuall facts of the properganda garbage you champion and push forward--you would not raise your head because someone would lop it off.

The EU and i am talking about the EU we have not the dream should be buried now

 

[pipme]

Just a word ... Thanks to the BBC for an excellent web site loads of Euro-info .... Eventually my 'gut reaction' to it all may change .. need to know much more.
When I see the average pay in some of the incomers .. I harbour fears of a 'levelling' via taxes, subsidies or other means .... Those enjoying high standards of living, surely will suffer a lowering if others have a raising, beyond, perhaps that which they have / are earning ??

 

[kevplumb]

see i told you so

 

[masona]

So whose idea was it to form the EU? The greed and ambition of politicians and the bureaucrats keeps the EU alive, so who is behind it all?

Did you know in 1998 Edward Heath has admitted that he hid the truth from the English electorate when the common market would lead to federalism and Harold Wilson did the same? Thatcher has claims she was tricked and is now very against the EU. Blair has given away rights & freedoms with both hands just so he can reserve for himself a place at the EU trough, sod you lot so he can have permanent power.

We were conned and led into the EU by cheats, liars and traitors. Over £5 billion is lost in the EU because of corruption, just disappears & no one does anything about it. Did you also know that England was the first country in the world to develop a free press but will soon mean nothing because in the EU, a free press will soon be illegal. They can get round anything because Tony & Cherie are boths lawyers.

 

[kevplumb]

They can get round anything because Tony & Cherie are boths lawyers.

both snouters you mean and the trough is full

 

[Freddie]

 

[masona]

Interesting read,

You couldnt do this anywhere else and the NO vote is the biggest kick in the nuts for them and something they will find it hard to overcome.

Yes I think it's only temporary though, Blair & European politicians do not consult the public if they can get away with it. They're willing to do anything to disguise the truth, suspicions and fears to promote the idea of united Europe. The problem I'm seeing is that they will ignore the public opinion to keep asking the same question until they get the answer they want of joining the EU.

i would have thought any Business suffering those things happening to it would soon go under or find itself being taken over----now do you see it???

It already happen with the Rover/BMW car factory which failed because the EU Commissionor told the English government could not do anything to support BMW investment but it's okay in other EU countries. So here we are the English men & women lost their job while workers in other EU countries benefited.

 

[Richardp]

should,nt be any referendum, the people put the government in so they should take whats on offer, no one likes change,insecuritys start to fester and we get cold feet. everyone sit still keep your gobs shut and take it like men.

 

[david and julie]

should,nt be any referendum, the people put the government in so they should take whats on offer, no one likes change,insecuritys start to fester and we get cold feet. everyone sit still keep your gobs shut and take it like men.

Part of the governments election campaign included the promise of a referendum on the constitution, so why should they be allowed to backtrack now?
Why do you find democracy and referendum so distasteful? would you have the same opinion if the French had said yes?

 

[Freddie]

should,nt be any referendum, the people put the government in so they should take whats on offer, no one likes change,insecuritys start to fester and we get cold feet. everyone sit still keep your gobs shut and take it like men.

Having a bad day Richard?????