Go Austria!

[SirGalahad]

Surely I don't approve what this government has done with covid and haven't voted them.
I had a chance to find out the true nature of bojo when he was mayor of London, so he would never get my vote.

The other thread where you posted about the ONS figures and death rates - a couple of points.

You are looking at the crude death rate - as it states in the table.

When you look at the data you are not comparing the same demographics - in 1997 there were fewer older people as a percentage of the population compared to figures today - we are aging as a nation.

If you look at the crude death rate it falls from 2000 to about 2012 - the effect here is the falling death rates partly due to rising investment in healthcare. It begins to rise after 2012 when Austerity starts to kick in.

The figures for covid have to be seen in the context of excess deaths as there are lots of factors that go into affecting the death rate - only when you can look deeper into the data and the long run can you try tease the effects out.

Remember correlation is not causation.

 

[johnny2007]

The other thread where you posted about the ONS figures and death rates - a couple of points.

You are looking at the crude death rate - as it states in the table.

When you look at the data you are not comparing the same demographics - in 1997 there were fewer older people as a percentage of the population compared to figures today - we are aging as a nation.

If you look at the crude death rate it falls from 2000 to about 2012 - the effect here is the falling death rates partly due to rising investment in healthcare. It begins to rise after 2012 when Austerity starts to kick in.

The figures for covid have to be seen in the context of excess deaths as there are lots of factors that go into affecting the death rate - only when you can look deeper into the data and the long run can you try tease the effects out.

Remember correlation is not causation.

So in other words, you're using all events that you like to justify crude figures.
Why don't you put recession in the mix?
Erupting vulcanoes?
Travel industry crisis?
Brexit?
A butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon forest?
Come on man, you're struggling to climb that shiny polished mirror wall.
The figures speak for themselves.
2020 was not an exceptional year for deaths, FACT!

 

[denso13]

2020 was not an exceptional year for deaths, FACT!

You posted the evidence to the contrary. You are simply lying/trolling.

 

[EFLImpudence]

When you look at the data you are not comparing the same demographics - in 1997 there were fewer older people as a percentage of the population compared to figures today - we are aging as a nation.

Right, so more would have died anyway.

If you look at the crude death rate it falls from 2000 to about 2012 - the effect here is the falling death rates partly due to rising investment in healthcare. It begins to rise after 2012 when Austerity starts to kick in.

Or when the people helped to live longer from 2000-2012 are eventually dying.
Or perhaps those born just after the war getting past 70.

The figures for covid have to be seen in the context of excess deaths as there are lots of factors that go into affecting the death rate - only when you can look deeper into the data and the long run can you try tease the effects out.

Haven't there been 75,000 excess deaths at home because untreated?
From which figure should this be deducted to get a truer number?

Deaths rising anyway 2015-2019 which lowered the average used to measure excess.
That same figure being used for 2021 (this might be understandable but can't continue).

Remember correlation is not causation.

Yep.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Blimey Austria are to all intents
Putting any one who has not been jabbed up under house arrest

Except for going to work or buying food.

Apparently also except for 'exercise'.

So, how will all this be policed and is there any point?

As around 'only' two thirds have been vaccinated in Austria and even if the vaccinated are only half as likely to be infectious (reports vary), that means the same number of vaccinated people as unvaccinated might be infectious.

Also, only one in ten has ever tested positive in Austria while they have tested, pro rata, twice as many compared to even the UK.

 

[charliegolf]

Enormous spike in uptake of the jab since the announcement and subsequent implementation. Maybe that was the mission, not lockdown per se.

 

[transam]

My mother and sister got jabbed up months ago

 

[johnny2007]

You posted the evidence to the contrary. You are simply lying/trolling.

You are trying to confuse members who come into the conversation now and haven't seen the official figures from ons.
So here they are again, for people who have been to school and are able to look past the first number and the first line (unlike the mignot)
Look at deaths/population, in other words, crude mortality rate...
How come no emergency was declared from 1990 to 2003?
How come there was no lockdown???

 

[denso13]

How come no emergency was declared from 1990 to 2003?

Because the years around it are similar. But a largely dropping number for 30 years to suddenly jump substantially in 2020 is exceptional. Nearly 80,000 more deaths than the year before is normal? Troll.

 

[Mottie]

Mottie doesn't care.

I don't care.

JohnD doesn't care.

 

[johnny2007]

Because the years around it are similar. But a largely dropping number for 30 years to suddenly jump substantially in 2020 is exceptional. Nearly 80,000 more deaths than the year before is normal? Troll.

You're making things up to misinform others.
Unfortunately for you, most of us here have been to school, unlike you.

 

[denso13]

You're making things up to misinform others.

If you don't want to get caught lying, then don't post evidence which contradicts what you are claiming. Simples...

 

[johnny2007]

If you don't want to get caught lying, then don't post evidence which contradicts what you are claiming. Simples...

You're doing it again.
People can see with their own eyes, I know you want to drag sheep to think like you, but it doesn't work.
I post the figures again for people to see.
Again, most of us have been to school, unlike you.

 

[denso13]

I post the figures again for people to see.

Yep, that you think a crazy 80,000 increase in one year, following a downward trend for 30 years (probably longer if the table went back further) is normal. You've made that clear.

At least you've stopped calling it a graph.

 

[johnny2007]

Yep, that you think a crazy 80,000 increase in one year, following a downward trend for 30 years (probably longer if the table went back further) is normal. You've made that clear.

At least you've stopped calling it a graph.

Educated people can immediately picture a graph in their head by looking at the pictures.
Impossible for you as you haven't been to school.