Good riddance tobacco!
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Protecting children my arse!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-The-ingredients-fake-cigarettes-Britain.html
(I dispute the cost, in that if you ask people to pay lot's of ciggie tax, and they don't pay it, it has not "cost" you, specially as we still take in 10 billion in tax AFTER this "dodge").
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-The-ingredients-fake-cigarettes-Britain.html
(I dispute the cost, in that if you ask people to pay lot's of ciggie tax, and they don't pay it, it has not "cost" you, specially as we still take in 10 billion in tax AFTER this "dodge").
I wonder how many of the pro-smoking lobby on here also defend the purchase of smuggled cigarettes
Yes, we should ban the purchase of illegal goods
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You are asking a stupid question in an obviously veiled attempt to paint me as "the bad guy" if I say I "support" the purchase of smuggled ciggies.
A schoolchild could see such an obvious ploy.
It's a black market good, it exists on the black market specifically because people don't support or otherwise dissuade it's legal purchase.
Whether I support the purchase of smuggled cigarettes is about as relevant as whether I support the statement "the sky is blue", my opinion has no impact on it's colour.
Now why don't you try a debate tactic a bit more grown up.
A schoolchild could see such an obvious ploy.
It's a black market good, it exists on the black market specifically because people don't support or otherwise dissuade it's legal purchase.
Whether I support the purchase of smuggled cigarettes is about as relevant as whether I support the statement "the sky is blue", my opinion has no impact on it's colour.
Now why don't you try a debate tactic a bit more grown up.
It's a serious question, though you might find it a difficult one.
For example, I don't buy knock-off counterfeit goods. You can expect them to be substandard and possibly dangerous.
Some people do. Who is to blame if they buy dangerous fakes and suffer as a result? Me? Them? The dealer? Or is it the dealer and them?
Do you support the purchase of smuggled and counterfeit goods? Your reply is vague and evasive.
For example, I don't buy knock-off counterfeit goods. You can expect them to be substandard and possibly dangerous.
Some people do. Who is to blame if they buy dangerous fakes and suffer as a result? Me? Them? The dealer? Or is it the dealer and them?
Do you support the purchase of smuggled and counterfeit goods? Your reply is vague and evasive.
The buyer - freedom of choice.
The dealer - an enabler
You - by supporting a situation where it is more attractive to purchase illegally than legally, by overly punitive taxes far in excess of the cost to the state.
(As to the latter, you can argue till you are blue in the face that it is right to overtax these goods, but you are wrong to pretend such policies have no side effects, or to completely avoid debate as to whether the side effects are the lesser of two evils).
My reply wasn't vague or evasive, I was point blank refusing to answer a stupid/loaded question.
which logic supports trade in bootleg whisky, for example, forged £10 notes, and stolen goods, shoplifting, and travelling without buying a ticket.
I'm beginning to understand your way of thinking. You're what, round here, we call a "crook"
I am not sure if you are still trying to disagree with me?
The black market for alcahol is worth several billion pounds (though it is hard to say how much of that is "grey" market booze cruises). And fake illicit alcahol containing various nasties such as cleaning products has been seized by trading customs a number of times.
Who knew that price controlling legal goods had side effects
If I buy a bottle of fake Smirnkoff, and it poisons me, who can my surviving family blame?
I don't really care who wants to hold someone to "blame" in such a situation, what are you some kind of scumball ambulance chasing injury layer?
Like I said, you can argue it's better to price control alcahol or tobacco, and that the side effects are worth it.
But to not even debate those side effects, and how much they cost (socially and monetary) is just ignorant, and completely skews the whole "cost" argument.
I wonder how many of the pro-smoking lobby on here also defend the purchase of smuggled cigarettes
well we know the answer now.
Please quote where I said I defend or condemn the purchase of smuggled cigs.
Or should I also accuse you of supporting poisoned illicit goods being sold to children, you heartless bastard!
I don't mind if you wish to play in a verbal sand pit level rather than debate with the adults, it only makes the rest of use look better
Or should I also accuse you of supporting poisoned illicit goods being sold to children, you heartless bastard!
I don't mind if you wish to play in a verbal sand pit level rather than debate with the adults, it only makes the rest of use look better
You took care not to allocate any blame to the buyer of dangerous fake goods.
And you invented an opinion which you allege I hold.
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