Good riddance tobacco!

[calorific]

TBH I honestly can't be bothered to read a report. So, since you have done so already, I'll pick your brain for questions which I assume you know the answer to.

Thus, could you confirm to me that the taxation gleaned from smokers is sufficient to cover ALL related costs, including third parties? I'm referring to health costs created by secondary smoking, home insurance costs (we all have to pay to cover the costs of accidental fires created specifically through cigarette), the occasional significant cost when (as an example) a smoker casts his stub aside up in the hills which sets alight to large tracts of moorland, costs due to loss of manhours whilst taking a prolonged ciggie break, cost of sick benefit claimed whilst an employee has time off work for smoking related medical treatment, additional use of water and electricity bills to wash smoke-smelling clothes more often than might be otherwise necessary, etc etc etc.

I'm well aware that one could create hypothecated lists for all sorts of activities. However, we are specifically considering smoking on here, so please don't try to cloud the issue.

 

[JohnD]

sounds a bit like the ignored poster is claiming that smokers take up the addiction as a public service, in order to donate money to the rest of us.

 

[masona]

This is my point all the way long, most smokers do not show any respect for the non smoker.

Was driving the on the dual carriageway and stopped at the traffic lights, on the grass verge, there are thousands of ciggie butts, it's an eyesore, they either empty the ash tray while stopping or flip it out the window. Why is it the smokers do not use the ash tray in their car and why do they leave the windows open when driving, is it because they don't like the smoke themselves?

As usual, not expecting a reply from smokers

You're not really expecting a sensible reply to that ridiculous post are you?
Are the anti-smoking brigade down to complaining about fag butts on the pavement. ... when ... 'was driving on the dual carriageway and stopped at the traffic lights,' ... this is a car that doesn't chug out any pollution whatsoever is it? Right. No Carbon monoxide. Nitrogen dioxide. Sulphur dioxide. Benzene. Formaldehyde. Polycyclic hydrocarbons or lead.
A moot point worth knowing to aid good health .. keep your windows wound up. Let the pedestrians and health conscious roadside joggers inhale all the fumes. They don't wear face masks in Japanese cities as a new ninja type fashion accessory you know.

Is that the best you can do? I'm talking about some smokers attitude problem then you waffle on by changing the subject is showing you're desperate.

And to answer the question about smoking during pregnancy?
I've never been pregnant so can't speak for myself. Surely it'd be better to ask a young woman who's intending to start a family.

My wife friend who is 38yrs of age got breast cancer but is slowly winning the battle but it's not over yet and stopped smoking during her pregnancy but done really not to smoke during her pregnancy while she is due have a baby very soon but will be smoking again after the birth, should I say anything to her because of the baby? Was told over the years she cannot have any children so this is her 1st baby, your comment please.

Anyway .. was only passing through to see if any smokers had survived the hunt.

You know as well as I do Smokers can't justified their habit but hey I'm listening

I have to say ... if you noticed I have never defended smoking. It's a bad habit along with many others that are as yet not in the limelight. Put it this way ... if I know someone who regularly drinks more than the safe limit of alcohol ... I don't preach. That's their choice ... their preferred vice or pleasure in life.

Yes I know, I'm the same but I don't like inhaling their smoke whereas their alcohol doesn't effect me

Ciao ... again! I shall have to stick to my guns and show some willpower as I know I'll only get hung out to dry. Ta ta non-nicotiners!

It's good to talk

 

[masona]

Look, I know what you are trying to say, but you are just not getting it.

That's your opinion.

You all just can't seem to let go of this bias that smokers and drinkers are costing more (and people like noseall and john D just point blank refuse to discuses the Adam smith institute report and other links I posted, whilst calling me a troll)

The Adam Smith report is very difficult to proved for an example my next door neighbour died of lung cancer from early years heavy smoking although did gave it up the last 15 yrs, was it the smoking? The consultant confirmed 99% most likely so Adam Smith report have to be 100% sure what to put on the report which so can be misleading hence why I don't bother reading them.

it proves smokers pay more than they take.

But if they didn't smoke then the money spent elsewhere is taxable anyway

We ALL need to be paying in more tax right now if we want to care for the elderly, financially (and morbidly), smokers are saving money by paying tax and dying early.

Yes you're correct regarding paying more tax, maybe we need more smokers

 

[killerheels]

I dare say even killerheels will find out about catalytic converters one day, and recognise that the Motor industry was forced to take this step, and that the Oil industry was forced to stop selling leaded petrol. The Tobacco industry is far from being the only one that has to be forced to act more responsibly.

Hallelujah! An admission that not only smokers foul the air! And guess what? I have heard of catalytic converters. After recognizing a major health problem caused by exhaust it was decided to clean up the air.
Catalytic converters reduce pollution ... they do not totally eradicate it. In fact .. scientific analysis is discovering though they might reduce old pollution by about 50% they create an increased ammonia risk and excess amounts of plutonium dust in the atmosphere. But as you can't see that ... or smell it .. it is an invisible enemy . . unlike the smell of cigarette smoke.

 

[killerheels]

Fact of the matter is there's a few on here who just hate smokers.
Full stop.
Now I might be daft ... but I'm not daft enough to set myself up as public whipping post... well ... I do so therefore I am actually... but eventually the penny has dropped.

 

[LastMagicBean]

If anti-smokers had a garden party/ barbecue in their back gardens, Would they ban guests from smoking????

No, I wouldn't providing they show respect for the non smoker, most of them do in our garden but at the pubs or elsewhere they don't bother and I assuming it's because they don't know you so couldn't careless, do you now know where I coming from? I'm afraid that's life in general.

So in effect what you're really saying is, It's entirely acceptable behaviour if they are your friends and family, but not joe bloggs on the street.

 

[LastMagicBean]

Fact of the matter is there's a few on here who just hate smokers.

That's a fact.

 

[masona]

If anti-smokers had a garden party/ barbecue in their back gardens, Would they ban guests from smoking????

No, I wouldn't providing they show respect for the non smoker, most of them do in our garden but at the pubs or elsewhere they don't bother and I assuming it's because they don't know you so couldn't careless, do you now know where I coming from? I'm afraid that's life in general.

So in effect what you're really saying is, it's entirely acceptable behaviour if they are your friends and family, but not joe bloggs on the street.

You're talking about my garden wasn't you? I repeat, whether it's friends, family or joe bloggs as long they show respect to the non smokers, if you read my posts I'm not asking for a smoking banned. It's not my fault I don't like the smell of smoke, no difference to any smell you don't like and even then you wouldn't put with it. Normally smokers at the pubs or elsewhere don't show any respect because they don't know you whereas friends or family tend to take more care with non smoker because it's polite thing to do.

 

[killerheels]

I have to admit the weight of evidence to back it up is getting rather impressive.

So far we have .. smoking ...
Is Unhealthy
A disgusting vice rampant in the thick underclass.
Corrupts youngsters
Is a burden on the NHS
Is Killing through secondhand smoke.
Results in obstructing smoke clouds in doorways
Produces mounds of fags on pavements
Produces people who smell of stale fags.
Hikes up house insurance through accidental fires
Is a significant cost of grass fires in moorlands.
Is bankrupting the economy through works ciggie breaks.
Costs the country through time off sick for smoking related diseases.
Uses valuable resources ... water, electricity and washing powder to wash non-smokers' smoky smelling clothes clean. (I give that one first prize!)


There .. think that's covered it all.
Can anyone think of anything new?

 

[JohnD]

Uses valuable resources ... water, electricity and washing powder to wash non-smokers' smoky smelling clothes clean. (I give that one first prize!)

Have you been a smoker for a very long time? What's the longest you've given up for?

 

[calorific]

...There .. think that's covered it all.
Can anyone think of anything new?

I suspect that smoking may turn you into a homosexual too

 

[killerheels]

...There .. think that's covered it all.
Can anyone think of anything new?

I suspect that smoking may turn you into a homosexual too

I'll let you know if I spot any tumescent growths sprouting in my nether regions.

 

[killerheels]

Uses valuable resources ... water, electricity and washing powder to wash non-smokers' smoky smelling clothes clean. (I give that one first prize!)

Have you been a smoker for a very long time? What's the longest you've given up for?

This is a trick question isn't it? You just trying to find out how much washing powder I get through.

 

[masona]

There .. think that's covered it all.
Can anyone think of anything new?

Not quite, some smokers with no respect