Good riddance tobacco!

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killerheels said:
This is a trick question isn't it? You just trying to find out how much washing powder I get through.
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No, I'm referring to the fact that smokers can't smell it.

Have you never heard an ex-smoker, or someone who's given up for a few weeks say "My god, all my freshly washed clothes smell of Persil! But all the ones in the wardrobe smell of fags!"
 
masona said:
Normally smokers at the pubs or elsewhere don't show any respect because they don't know you whereas friends or family tend to take more care with non smoker because it's polite thing to do.
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Nope. The the definitive difference here is... the group you know are 'good'....the group you don't know are 'bad'.

The truth is........ Invite them all to sit in your front room , they will all smell the same. Fact.
 
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JohnD said:
killerheels said:
This is a trick question isn't it? You just trying to find out how much washing powder I get through.
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No, I'm referring to the fact that smokers can't smell it.

Have you never heard an ex-smoker, or someone who's given up for a few weeks say "My god, all my freshly washed clothes smell of Persil! But all the ones in the wardrobe smell of fags!"
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I can smell .. :p I'll rephrase that!
I can smell Bold ... would I smell Persil then instead if I stopped smoking?
Seriously .. I get your point. The pubs now smell of flaulence, stale bear and sweat.
What a non-smoker would be doing inside my wardrobe is another subject for a more saucy thread isn't it? Otherwise, it's my wardrobe!
Sorry .. I'm finding it very hard to take this seriously now. I'm taking the view might as well get hung as a sheep as a lamb.
 
calorific said:
TBH I honestly can't be bothered to read a report.
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Reading is hard :rolleyes:

Thus, could you confirm to me that the taxation gleaned from smokers is sufficient to cover ALL related costs, including third parties?
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Yes.

I'm well aware that one could create hypothetical lists for all sorts of activities. However, we are specifically considering smoking on here, so please don't try to cloud the issue.
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Me cloud the issue?

You refuse to read a report that answers every point you raise.

Your attitude make it clear it's got nothing to do with protecting health, or saving money, it's just biased puritanism, you don't like smokers.

masona said:
The Adam Smith report is very difficult to proved for an example my next door neighbour died of lung cancer from early years heavy smoking although did gave it up the last 15 yrs, was it the smoking? The consultant confirmed 99% most likely so Adam Smith report have to be 100% sure what to put on the report which so can be misleading hence why I don't bother reading them.
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Well, if you bothered to read the report, you would know the above has nothing to do with it :rolleyes:


But if they didn't smoke then the money spent elsewhere is taxable anyway
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name another item other than fuel or alcohol with over 100% taxes, please take your time.......
 
Me? Nothing. I've given up.
Do you want it adding to the list?

Time for a few new additions.

So far we have .. smoking ...
Is Unhealthy
A disgusting vice rampant in the thick underclass.
Corrupts youngsters
Is a burden on the NHS
Is Killing through secondhand smoke.
Results in obstructing smoke clouds in doorways
Produces mounds of fags on pavements
Produces people who smell of stale fags.
Hikes up house insurance through accidental fires
Is a significant cost of grass fires in moorlands.
Is bankrupting the economy through works ciggie breaks.
Costs the country through time off sick for smoking related diseases.
Uses valuable resources ... water, electricity and washing powder to wash non-smokers' smoky smelling clothes clean. (I give that one first prize!)


Updated .... :p
Smokers have no respect.
Smokers also have anosmia.
Pregnant women who smoke are a concern to non-smokers.
An allegation that smoking may turn someone into a homosexual .. (I think that one's a simple misinderstanding of the phrase, always got a fag in his mouth
 
Ok well you had an opinion earlier that we all had a right to choose to smoke. Just wondering if that extended to the foetus and the children who live in houses with adult smokers. But if you choose to duck the question then that's OK.
 
chapeau said:
Ok well you had an opinion earlier that we all had a right to choose to smoke. Just wondering if that extended to the foetus and the children who live in houses with adult smokers. But if you choose to duck the question then that's OK.
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I'm not ducking it. I just got fed up of clever dicks twisting what I say ... but you've asked a fair question and out of genuine interest.

True, I've said everyone has the right to choose to smoke.
But that's based on their own educated choice ... as in first they have to be old enough to decide.
I don't see how I can speak for ALL smokers but me, myself, if I was pregnant I personally would not drink or smoke whilst pregnant. I'm responsible for my kids welfare. If they choose later in life to smoke .. that's upto them.
Do I think other pregnant women should stop? None of my business.
 
AronSearle said:
You refuse to read a report that answers every point you raise.
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And you have summarised its findings for me in a brief one word answer. Hence I am informed by someone (you) who is knowledgable. This is called "sharing information" and "communicating". I didn't refuse to read the report; I saw no need as you have the information available to answer my query. Why is that an issue for you?

AronSearle said:
Your attitude make it clear it's got nothing to do with protecting health, or saving money, it's just biased puritanism, you don't like smokers.
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I don't care one way or another about smokers. I just want to make sure that their activities don't affect others adversely. You have answered me with a definitive response which means that there is no reason financially (at the cost to the public purse)for people not to smoke. Personally, as someone who smoked 20+ a day for over 20 years, I'm not sure why I'm being puritanical. When I used to smoke, I never saw the need to defend my decision to do so - I always knew is was a stupid thing to do, but didn't really get my head round how to stop doing it.

So, in short, if smokers want to carry on smoking then feel free to do so on the conditions of not involving anyone else. I don't care. This isn't some moral or judgmental argument and never has been. I know that my health has improved and I am no longer a slave to the drug addiction. I also know that my sense of smell has improved quite dramatically.

Edit - slight over-reaction removed ;)
 
calorific said:
This is called "sharing information" and "communicating". I didn't refuse to read the report; I saw no need as you have the information available to answer my query. Why is that an issue for you?
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Apologies, I assumed you would just act like others and be unreasonable.

Now let's all group hug.


I just want to make sure that their activities don't affect others adversely.
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Here is something a lot of people don't appreciate.

It's hard to have fun (or do a number of work related thingies) without negatively affecting someone, therefore when someone else is having fun, and it negativity effects you, you should always try and be tolerant.

Modern culture seems to be developing a nasty trend of "that person doing that thing annoys me, let's get it banned".

then you should do so alone in a darkened room.
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Oh er!
 
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