Grenfell

[denso13]

What dissuades people from wrongdoing is not the severity of punishment, but the certainty of being caught.

Yes, and timescales. Saying to someone that if they are naughty they might prosecuted 14 years after an incident is not much of a deterrent.

 

[denso13]

Imagine living in a country where you could choose your own Building Control Inspector.

I can only imagine, it doesn't happen in my country. LA building control or nothing.

 

[ajohn]

The only change to building regs I can find gives details like this page, Introduced OCT 23

New changes to the Building Regulations | Cook Brown Building Control Ltd

cookbrown.co.uk

It seems to be more of a legal framework for the actual building regs.

Cameron - other than reactions to his talk nothing at all. So what is it that upset the enquiry? They made a point of mentioning it.

 

[blup]

This guy has some questions to answer:

Senior civil servant ‘forgot’ to clarify ambiguous fire safety guidance, Grenfell Inquiry hears

Brian Martin also admitted he 'completely underestimated' hazard posed by deadly ACM panels

www.building.co.uk

 

[noseall]

But it's not the builder who is responsible for compliance with building regulations but the homeowner or in a larger scale contractor / managing body?

Not as of October 1st 2023, no.

 

[ellal]

"David Cameron has provoked a wave of indignation from Grenfell fire survivors and housing campaigners after claiming that the inquiry agreed with him that fire regulations had not been part of his government’s “red tape drive” to cut regulations.

But campaigners said the former prime minister’s words were “b ollocks” and “total bullshit”, since the inquiry report had explicitly said the effect of the Coalition government’s attack on red tape was that “even matters affecting the safety of life were ignored, delayed or disregarded”.

 

[Odds]

As the lead architect and designer, Studio E was appointed in 2012 and tasked with overseeing the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower, including the design of its facade. The Inquiry concluded that Studio E bore primary responsibility for the design of the external wall, a crucial element in the disaster. The firm’s role also extended to coordinating other consultants, sub-contractors, and specialists. Despite these extensive responsibilities, the report found that Studio E fundamentally misunderstood the scope of its obligations.

bdonline.com

 

[ajohn]

Despite these extensive responsibilities, the report found that Studio E fundamentally misunderstood the scope of its obligations.

Behind all of that is the actual panel / insulation makers. Obfuscation may figure. The full report would need reading.

 

[blup]

Successful prosecutions seem unlikely, but the government can and should punish the culpable insualtion panel companies by financial samctions such as keeping them off the tendering list, or introducing civil penalties. A company hit by meaningful fines is sadly likely to react more positively than one of its middle men being thrown in prison.