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[Richardp]

so if we could go back in time we would do nothing to stop hitler ?

 

[paulbrown]

Nick Griffin has not tried too hide his past nor has he told lies. He openly admits his views so whats the issue?.

You don't know that this is true. You only know what he tells you and it wouldn't surprise me if he has views which he doesn't openly admit.

Why should it concern you if people decide to vote for BNP? Its got naff all to do with you what party people vote for.

It's got a lot to do with us all which party other people vote for. If 50% of the population voted for the communist party, for example, at the next election then it would surely affect your life in a big way.

Your first comment is ridiculous, of course I only know what he tells us, I don't know him personally, why would I know any of his inner thoughts? for what its worth I suspect the integrity of every politician. I presume he tells the truth as most of his comments seem quite extreme, rather than tempered.

I have no idea what difference 50% of the population voting, for any given party, would make, as our system is not truly representative.

Personally I would prefer PR but that is off topic.

Why did you and Richardp (by agreeing with you) presume I support BNP?

 

[noodlz]

Paul Brown, you clearly wish to play with words and make a trap for fools. I am perfectly happy to let people see you for what you are and me likewise by our words.

I strongly believe it is time Nick Griffin is prosecuted for inciting racial hatred and I stand by that.

Let others find out for themselves about this man, if you are so keen to discuss him. They can start by looking here:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg03.htm

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/campainging/NickGriffin.htm

His previous convictions illustrate his character clearly...do you not consider a persons character important when voting for a politician?

The issue is that he wishes to create a society where people are judged by the colour of their skin not the contents of their character. This is cannot abide.

Why should it concern you if people decide to vote for BNP? Its got naff all to do with you what party people vote for.

This really does surprise me! It has everything to do with me, as everyone else, what party people vote for. This is how our society is formed - upon the basis of whom we all vote for. Your grasp of democracy is woeful.

You make the ignorant assumption that I support the BNP, so can you show me where I actually said such? I merely said the BNP are a legal political party and if you don't like them don't vote for them.

Where have I said that you support the BNP, although I think it is evident to anyone reading this exchange where your sympathies lie.

By writing your assumption, without knowing any facts about me, you have actually displayed intolerance.

I will leave it to others to decide who is displaying intolerance here.

As a democrat I believe anyone, including extremists, be they left, right, black or white, is entitled to stand for election. We can all see or read their rhetoric and form our own opinion, most people don't need thought police, like you, they can make up their own minds.

If you are sincere in your words, I am in full agreement with you, except that, as with anyone else, and I'm sure as a democrat you'll agree, I am entitled to air my views, just as you are.

The ones you should be concerned about are the ones responsible for persecution and death everyday.

I am concerned with them also, but who is telling who about thought police?

Nick Griffin may well be a racist and he may well have checkered past, but he isn't telling lies and doesn't have blood on his hands either.

If Nick Griffin is allowed to continue brainwashing people with his empty promises of a better future for white people, unchecked by others who will show him for what he is and all he stands for, there will be blood on many people's hands through his incitement.

 

[paulbrown]

I have no interest in your version of a democracy. In mine the courts decide innocence or guilt, you have decided NG is guilty, irrespective of the fact that, for now, the courts disagree with you, regardless of what you stand by that is fact.

Can you tell me who wrote the articles which you linked, as I don't have the time, tonight, to read them fully.

I would be more concerned about a politicians past if they had tried to hide it.

My grasp of democracy is not woeful I wasn't stupid enough to presume a 50% vote meant anything. I didn't vote for the present government, who never got a true majority, but thats how it works, I have to accept the system. If the majority vote for communism then who am I to question their choice?

Where have I said that you support the BNP, although I think it is evident to anyone reading this exchange where your sympathies lie.

I will leave it to others to decide who is displaying intolerance here.

If you are sincere in your words, I am in full agreement with you, except that, as with anyone else, and I'm sure as a democrat you'll agree, I am entitled to air my views, just as you are.

All your above quotes talk for others too, you can only speak for yourself. You insinuate I support BNP but can produce nothing to support you view because you are too ignorant.

Who wrote those links?

 

[noodlz]

I have no interest in your version of a democracy.

This is evident.

In mine the courts decide innocence or guilt, you have decided NG is guilty, irrespective of the fact that, for now, the courts disagree with you, regardless of what you stand by that is fact.

I agree the courts should decide, but I am entitled to air my opinions about Nick Griffin's views and what should be done about them.

Can you tell me who wrote the articles which you linked, as I don't have the time, tonight, to read them fully.

Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you can clearly see which organisation wrote the articles. Is this your point? Make it clearly, instead of lying.

My grasp of democracy is not woeful

you state, yet you also said:

Why should it concern you if people decide to vote for BNP? Its got naff all to do with you what party people vote for.

I can see why you try to deflect people from your ignorance, yet it is so blatantly obvious.

All your above quotes talk for others too, you can only speak for yourself.

I do not talk for others but am quite happy for others to make up their own minds.

You insinuate I support BNP but can produce nothing to support you view because you are too ignorant.

Your own words support the BNP, even if you do not realise it yourself. Either you think you are in a debating society and just play devil's advocate or positively support the BNP, either way your pedantic exposition on this thread shows more where your sympathies lie.

 

[paulbrown]

I have no interest in your version of a democracy.

This is evident.

In mine the courts decide innocence or guilt, you have decided NG is guilty, irrespective of the fact that, for now, the courts disagree with you, regardless of what you stand by that is fact.

I agree the courts should decide, but I am entitled to air my opinions about Nick Griffin's views and what should be done about them.

Can you tell me who wrote the articles which you linked, as I don't have the time, tonight, to read them fully.

Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you can clearly see which organisation wrote the articles. Is this your point? Make it clearly, instead of lying.

My grasp of democracy is not woeful

you state, yet you also said:

Why should it concern you if people decide to vote for BNP? Its got naff all to do with you what party people vote for.

I can see why you try to deflect people from your ignorance, yet it is so blatantly obvious.

All your above quotes talk for others too, you can only speak for yourself.

I do not talk for others but am quite happy for others to make up their own minds.

You insinuate I support BNP but can produce nothing to support you view because you are too ignorant.

Your own words support the BNP, even if you do not realise it yourself. Either you think you are in a debating society and just play devil's advocate or positively support the BNP, either way your pedantic exposition on this thread shows more where your sympathies lie.

I am glad it is evident, I want a democracy where people are prepared to stand by their convictions. You are trying to accuse me of being a BNP supporter where did I say I was? I am only defending NG's right to free speech. Whereas you are trying to curtail this, just because you find it repugnant.

You say you support democracy and then link an extreme left wing group.
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/
Now tell me who are behind this group?

True, some people do think the BNP are evil, but their names are there for all to see and they clearly say what they stand for, you have picked a group which appears to keep its members names a secret, save for one who as died and you then have the audacity to comment on democracy.

Now you are being deliberately obtuse - you can clearly see which organisation wrote the articles. Is this your point? Make it clearly, instead of lying.

You have now called me a LIAR can you show where I did this please? I can see the name of an organisation, you linked them so I am asking you who runs the outfit? who funds it?

You say you are quite happy for people to make up their own minds.

I do not talk for others but am quite happy for others to make up their own minds.

Now who's telling lies? you have disagreed with me with avengeance, called me obtuse,pedantic and a liar. You call that free speech?

Your own words support the BNP, even if you do not realise it yourself. Either you think you are in a debating society and just play devil's advocate or positively support the BNP, either way your pedantic exposition on this thread shows more where your sympathies lie.

My words supported freedom of speech and not the BNP specifically and I told you so. You have made a pathetic and childish assumption based on your own misguided and predjudiced viewpoint.I do realise exactly what I am saying and don't need you to tell me what I mean. I have said nothing racist, told no lies and have offended nobody, with any sense that is.

PC idiots,like you are clearly causing these problems for your own ends.

Leave the extreme parties alone and they will probably fizzle out, they relish the publicity and you meddling naive fools are giving it them in bucketfulls. Can you not see the stupidty of this?

When you go to school or uni today see if you lecturer knows who's behind the group you linked.

 

[hermes]

for what its worth I suspect the integrity of every politician....... I presume he tells the truth

If you suspect his integrity then why do you presume he speaks the truth?

Why did you and Richardp (by agreeing with you) presume I support BNP?

I didn't presume anything of the kind, why do you think that?

 

[paulbrown]

for what its worth I suspect the integrity of every politician....... I presume he tells the truth

If you suspect his integrity then why do you presume he speaks the truth?

Why did you and Richardp (by agreeing with you) presume I support BNP?

I didn't presume anything of the kind, why do you think that?

If you read all the sentence you wouldn't have to ask me this.Here it is again.

Your first comment is ridiculous, of course I only know what he tells us, I don't know him personally, why would I know any of his inner thoughts? for what its worth I suspect the integrity of every politician. I presume he tells the truth as most of his comments seem quite extreme, rather than tempered.

 

[dg123]

Back to the subject matter; how does he only get seven years and why are sentences served concurrently?

 

[Simon345]

He should be locked up for longer than 7 years, plus the way people are released now he'll be out in 3.

Let him be extradited by the Americans I say

 

[empip]

They'll train him to become a handyman... that'll keep him occupied for a few decades.

 

[Richardp]

They'll train him to become a handyman... that'll keep him occupied for a few decades.

should keep him out of arms way.

 

[empip]

If not at arms length ...


Who wipes his 'arris?

 

[Richardp]

If not at arms length ...

send him to Armania

 

[empip]

Armenia ..even.
Listen to Handel all 'kin day... That'll have him pizzing himself, so who 'points Percy' then??