Here we go again!

[Norcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHm--Z5AhS8

Moderate islam does not exist.

 

[ellal]

A lot of reading but interesting.

http://www.samizdata.net/2014/10/th...tellectual-a-conversation/#more-24084[/QUOTE]

I read it. It was a long haul, but sufficiently gripping that I even had to put off a pressing need to visit the lavatory in order to finish it. (About to go now, you'll be pleased to learn.)

I can say that I agree with every word of Dinuto.

And I'm afraid that the world, and certainly this country, is awash with naive 'Hollys'!

Samizdata

"A blog for people with an irrational fundamentalist perspective"

 

[Gasman28]

So, as a Muslim lover, what would be your answer to all the hatred against you and your ilk?
Would you keep OUR soldiers in the third world countries and let them get on with it or try to stop the mass killings in all countries?

 

[ellal]

Would you keep OUR soldiers in the third world countries and let them get on with it or try to stop the mass killings in all countries?

You really are thick!

Which bit of "We keep out of a region we have stirred up for centuries and let them sort out their own solution instead of trying to impose our style of 'democracy" did you not understand the first time

But hey, how about we have some fun and strain that brain cell of yours...

Can you tell us why we continually intervene in the middle east and yet fail to "try to stop the mass killings" in places such as Rwanda?

 

[megawatt]

Can you tell us why we continually intervene in the middle east and yet fail to "try to stop the mass killings" in places such as Rwanda?

I would have thought that even you would know the answer to this one?

We intervene through self interest ... And ISIS is a threat to humanity, not just the west.

Whilst some of our previous interventions were carried out on the basis of promoting the development of democracy ... Or our interest in oil if you're a cynic ... and maybe questionable in the cold light of day, nobody with an IQ greater than their shoe size could fail to see the growing threat from Islamic fundamentalists and the danger they pose to us all.

Simply "letting them get on with it" as so many have posted is no different to letting Germany "get on with it" until they reach the French coastline!

Just read a great book "I am Pilgrim" by Terry Hayes which, though fictional, clearly outlines what could happen ... Worth a read.

Good to see that, after all this time, Ellal is still posting such nonsense and winding everyone up ... Made it an art form

MW

 

[JBR]

I reckon that Ella is right. We should keep out of their country completely.

On one condition.

They keep out of ours.

 

[megawatt]

Ignore these people at our peril.

MW

 

[Whitespirit66]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHm--Z5AhS8

Moderate islam does not exist.

This video just about sums it up.

Why don't we have politicians like Geert Wilders this in this country?

 

[Norcon]

Politicians who speak the truth are a rare breed unfortunately.

 

[Gasman28]

Would you keep OUR soldiers in the third world countries and let them get on with it or try to stop the mass killings in all countries?

You really are thick!
Of course I am, I reply to you

Which bit of "We keep out of a region we have stirred up for centuries and let them sort out their own solution instead of trying to impose our style of 'democracy" did you not understand the first time
Then announce on here that you hate Muslim fundamentalists and the barbaric actions that they have carried out. Also state that in a civilised world that you enjoy, you do not condone the actions of a third world terrorist organisation that kill their own, let alone people that travel to third world countries to help in the name of peace.

But hey, how about we have some fun and strain that brain cell of yours...

Can you tell us why we continually intervene in the middle east and yet fail to "try to stop the mass killings" in places such as Rwanda?

http://allafrica.com/stories/201409250850.html
The jury is still out my terrorist loving poster.
Go for it, denounce Muslim terrorists

 

[enyam]

Ignore these people at our peril.

MW

You haven't posted as softus lately Joe time to give him an outing.

 

[Whitespirit66]

Ignore these people at our peril.

MW

You haven't posted as softus lately Joe time to give him an outing.

I thought old megatwatt had disappeared, as he's only just started using the forum again after a year's break.

More likely that he's been away having 'treatment'. Appears to have done the trick, as some of his posts seem to make sense.

 

[Norcon]

How are we being the Western bullies?

I am confused by your allegations.

The confusion is in your inabilty to read

And having a quasi western bully in its midst will prolong the process until Israel also believes in a peaceful solution...

What has Israel got to do with Syria?

Last time I checked Israel hadn't invaded Syria. What planet are you on?

Are you actually so dumb that you think the middle east would be peaceful if Israel didn't exist?

2% of our oil now comes from the middle east so our vested interests in the middle east in that respect are diminishing fast.

The reason Assad is being targeted for removal by the West is because he is seen as a threat to Israel, his support for the Palestinians and Hezbollah in Lebanon have made him a prime target for regime change.
The claim that Assad has to be removed because he is a "brutal dictator" is false as the Americans or British have never had any problems before when it came to doing deals with dictators, Russia and Iran support Syria that is why they are also demonised by western propaganda.
Go back to 9/11 and the "War on terror" nonsense from Bush and Blair, the twin towers were attacked by Islamic fundamentalists with connections to Saudi Arabia, yet who was targeted for regime change , none other than old Saddam who may have been a dictator but he was never a supporter of Islamic fundamentalism in any shape or form, it appears that Saddam was a threat to Israel by his logistical and financial support for Palestinians, so that is why he had to go.
The argument that Western intervention in the middle East is all about oil is only partly true, the main reason for intervention is about security for Israel, if you are a non democratic country in the middle east who are not considered a threat to Israel you can survive but if you are a non democratic country who is considered a threat to Israel you will be targeted with demonising propaganda, sanctions and finally armed overthrow by Western backed proxies.

Jews represent less than 0.01 percent of the entire worlds population yet their acheivements are the highest in the world.
Their are only 14 million Jews in which about 7 million live in Israel.
Their are over 7 billion non Jews in the world.

What has any muslim arab achieved lately?
OOh yes they just cut the heads off another few hundred terrified people today.

 

[ellal]

The jury is still out my terrorist loving poster.

I guess you'll now consider a couple of hundred of our MP's now 'terrorist loving' according to your logic

MPs take historic decision to recognise Palestinian state

Maybe one day you will see the error of your ways as a life long supporter of Israel has..

Richard Ottaway, chairman of the powerful Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said he no longer felt he could vote to deny the Palestinians the right of recognition because of recent Israeli actions.

“I have been a friend of Israel long before I became a Tory,” he told the House of Commons. “I have stood by Israel through thick and thin. But I realise now that Israel has been slowly drifting away from world international public opinion. “The annexation of the 950 acres of the West Bank just a few months ago has outraged me more than anything else in my political life. Under normal circumstances I would oppose this motion. But such is my anger over the behaviour of Israel that I will not be opposing it. I have to say to the government of Israel – if it is losing people like me it is going to be losing a lot people.”

 

[bernardgreen]

I guess you'll now consider a couple of hundred of our MP's now 'terrorist loving' according to your logic

Few people have any problem with the Palestinians living in peaceful proximity to Israel.

So voting to recognise a Palestinian State is not a vote for terrorists.

You see the actions that security forces take against terrorists as being actions against the state, country or region where those terrorists are based.

That is what the terrorists want you to see. They hide in and launch attacks from areas of population so that the actions against terrorists can be seen as attacks on peaceful citizens.