Hive Install with Danfoss Controllers

[stem]

It looks like a Danfoss TP9000.

If so, this is a combined programmer and room thermostat as is the Hive, and in which case all of the existing wires in your photo below in terminals N, L, 3 and 4 go to exactly the same terminals of the Dual Channel Hive Receiver.

Simply remove the wires from terminals 5 & 6 they are for the remote sensor which will no longer be used.

Be careful to make sure that the conductors are in contact with the terminals, and not the insulation.

 

[Heisenbarb]

Hi,
I was wondering if someone could help me out.
I have a similar problem myself with this.

I live in a three storey new build and on my heating setup I have two TP5000's installed what each control zone valves what are fitted in my airing cupboard.
The downstairs thermostat controls heating on ground and middle floor. And top floor (3rd floor) thermostat just controls the heating on that floor.

Both thermostats are battery powered and only have the two wires connected to them with no blue neutral wire.
I was thinking of buying the hive heating control along with a additional one to replaced both of my danfoss ones.

In my airing cupboard I have two zone valves that are connected to the main wire centre.

Can anyone help me out? Looking at the hive wire setup it looks pretty straight forward but I'm missing the neutral wires in both my thermostats but I have grey wires there?
I'll include all pictures of my setup in the post.

I've included a setup from what another poster has used on another thread which looks similar to mine.

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 267285]

What I’d be opting to do is use the wiring centre for supplying the live and neutral for the Hive(s) and disconnecting the wiring for the Danfoss ones. If not using another Hive then opt to keep a Danfoss, or get one that’s battery powered.

 

[stem]

As you have figured, you don't have the necessary neutral at the thermostats now. So, unless you wan't to run new wires out from the wiring centre to both thermostats, and have the receivers on the wall where the thermostats are now (not a good look) then the best way would be to mount the Hive receivers in the "airing cupboard" next to the wiring centre (check the location is as per the Hive instructions) and the Hive thermostats should then go where the existing thermostats are located.

I will explain how I would do one of the thermostats, using a single channel version of Hive. The other will be a repeal of the same process:

1) Trace the two wires from one of the thermostats back to the wiring centre, either physically or by using a multimeter. Note which two terminals the wires are connected to and remove the old thermostat cable from the wiring centre. [Hint: one of the wires will be connected to the brown wire of the motorised valve]

2) From the vacant terminals where the two thermostat wires have just been removed from, one should be a permanent live. Test with a multimeter to find out which one, and connect that to the Hive single channel terminal (1) Common

3) The second terminal will be for the switched live, connect that to the Hive single channel terminal (3) Heating on

4) The Hive needs a permanent live to provide it with operating power it, so this can be done by linking Hive terminal (1) Common, to the Hive (L) terminal

5) The Hive also needs a neutral to provide it with operating power it. This can be done by connecting the (N) terminal to the same connection as the blue neutral wires from the motorised valves.

Repeat the process for the second Thermostat, be careful not to install them the wrong way around so that the top floor thermostat is controlling the lower floor radiators and vice versa.

zone valves what are fitted in my airing cupboard.

As you have an "airing cupboard", that suggests that you may possibly have a hot water cylinder too? If so, the wiring is more complicated as one of the Hive's would need to be a dual channel version and whatever device is controlling the hot water will need to be removed and its wiring moved over to the dual channel Hive. If you don't have a hot water cylinder, then two single channel Hives will do the job as described above.

 

[Heisenbarb]

Stem that is brillaint mate, thanks for taking the time to reply.

I was thinking I would have to fit both receivers where the thermostats currently are but your way sounds better!
I'll go ahead and order them now and will post how I get on.

Just a question on this...

5) The Hive also needs a neutral to provide it with operating power it. This can be done by connecting the (N) terminal to the same connection as the blue neutral wires from the motorised valves.

As there is 3 wires currently going to the TP5000's but only the black and brown and being used and there is two grey wires not being used in the wiring centre, Would I be able to use them as the neutrals as they are already in there?
(See pictures)

I've included a diagram of another guys set up on another thread but he used hive duel and single receivers.

Thanks

 

[Heisenbarb]

Sorry, just realised I'm being a dumbass!
Your saying add new wires from the wiring centre to the hive receivers in the airing cupboard and making the existing ones to the thermostats redundant arent you?

Just 4 core 1.0 mm round flex cable to use?

I say airing cupboard but it's a cupboard feeding off the heat from the zone valve pipes! it is a combi.

Thanks mate

 

[stem]

Your saying add new wires from the wiring centre to the hive receivers in the airing cupboard and making the existing ones to the thermostats redundant arent you?

Yep, that's the idea.

You could use the 'spare' grey wire (assuming you can connect the other end to a neutral terminal) to provide a neutral to the existing thermostat location, however, do you really want to have the receivers mounted on the wall where the existing thermostats are with the Hive thermostat at the side.

1mm cable is fine.

 

[Heisenbarb]

Brillaint, Thanks for all your help stem. I'll let you know how I get on

 

[Heisenbarb]

Hi stem,
Hope your well mate.
Everything got delivered this morning so I'm just about to give it a go.
I have wired up one of the thermostats reading to connect to the wiring centre.
Can you confirm that this is right in what I'm doing?


Thanks mate

 

[stem]

Nice job. Looks good to me, in that you have wires in the correct terminals. Of course the connections at the other end are just as important.

It shouldn't be fitted to the carpet though.

 

[Heisenbarb]

Haha nice one stem. Well I managed to fit them both yesterday, all up and running.

Took me a couple of hours to do.
Thankfully it was easy to identify what wires were powering which zone and thermostats.
I just left the wires to the old thermostats where they were in case I was ever to fit the originals danfoss ones back in.

Was worried ide put the receivers to close to the zone valve pipes what do you think?

Thanks for all your help mate.

I've included photos of the set up if anyone else has a similar set up to mine.

 

[stem]

Hey, nice job well done!

If I was being really picky, I might mention that a grey wire is usually used as a 'live' so I would slide a blue sleeve over it at both ends to identify it as a neutral. I know it's connected to a terminal marked N at one end, so pretty obvious really. Like I said, being picky here. It's a far better installation than I've seen some 'professionals' do. The terminations look good also, not too much exposed copper.

Ideally, redundant wires should be removed completely, or at least insulated to prevent them coming into contact with something they shouldn't by mistake, although I see you have tucked them out of the way.

I wouldn't be worried about the receivers being too close to the pipes. Large metal objects e.g. boilers, fridges etc., can screen the thermostat from the receiver and block the signal, but as it's all working, then all is well. From a heat point of view they're not that close and the pipes are silvered to minimise radiation anyway.

 

[Heisenbarb]

Brillaint cheers stem.

Did think about sleeving the neutrals but I'll probably be taking the Hives with me when I come to sell up so I'll stick the rubbish danfoss ones back in

Onto my next mission of putting a outside tap in!

Cheers mate

 

[Gyser]

Apologies for rekindling an old thread but this is the closest possible solution to my current setup I’ve found, along with helpful pictures etc etc.

We moved in to our new build back in November 2022 and the current set up we have is not too dissimilar to Heisenbarbs hence hijacking this thread (Apologies once again!)

Our setup in the house consists of the following:
One Danfoss TPOne-B thermostat (Located in the lounge which controls the downstairs (Lounge, Diner/Kitchen, Utility, Downstairs toilet and the Hallway/Reception) along with the upstairs (Master Bedroom and Ensuite, Landing, Second Bedroom and then the Family Bathroom).

A second Danfoss TPOne-B controls the third Bedroom and that’s it.

Within the “Airing cupboard” on the landing is a Danfoss Control Centre unit linked originally to two Danfoss HPA2 2-Port Zone Valves which were playing up so have (as of today) been replaced with two Honeywell V4043H1056/U units.

The Boiler is located downstairs in the Utility room and is a Logic Combi ESP1 35.

The Thermostats are wired as shown here:

The Wiring Centre is as shown here (Apologies not the best of pictures but lighting isn’t great in the cupboard!):

I’ve pre-wired up the Hive receivers near to the Control Centre and have run two 4 core cables ready to add in to the centre as shown here:

I think I’ve got my head around it but my wiring setup is somewhat different to diagrams I’ve seen when it comes to S-Plan wiring? I’ve used the same layout as I found with the Danfoss 2 Port Zone Valves when installing the Honeywell set up and it’s all up and running. On the diagrams I’ve looked at, the Orange cables from the valves should be running to Terminal 6, Grey to terminal 7 etc etc, but as you can see, mine are running to 12 and 10 respectively.

I just want to check, I think, using Stems explanation that the Black (brown sleeved) cable from the Thermostats “On” terminal is located in to terminal 7/8 within the Control Centre with the brown cable from Com on the thermostat being wired in to terminal 3 within the Control Centre. Does that sound right?

I’ve pre-wired the Hive Receivers as per Heisenbarbs pictures above… I think, using his diagram I might be able to make the other connections within the Control Centre namely earth to the earth terminals, Grey (Sleeved in Blue) to the neutral terminals used by the existing blue cables. Confirmation of where I should be running the cables from the Hive receivers would be great though please.

Hopefully all of the above makes sense?

Thanks in advance,

Eric.

 

[RandomGrinch]

brown sleeved) cable from the Thermostats “On” terminal is located in to terminal 7/8 within the Control Centre with the brown cable from Com on the thermostat being wired in to terminal 3

I’ve pre-wired the Hive Receivers as per Heisenbarbs pictures above… I think, using his diagram I might be able to make the other connections within the Control Centre namely earth to the earth terminals, Grey (Sleeved in Blue) to the neutral terminals used by the existing blue cables.

Yes, that all appears OK.
All that would remain to be done, would be the safe isolation of the cables to the existing stats.