how did this A***hole get off?

[skitzee2k]

How is climate change or whatever the hell these lefties complaining about got to do with the police?

I wonder

Me too.

 

[joe-90]

I have seen women being battered in riots....but then what should the police do.....when being attacked by mindless woman......being near riot police should make a person think and move on....otherwise something bad may happen...as it did happen with tomlinson.

Yes he WAS moving on when Bully Boy attacked him from behind. I suppose you support the Bully Boy there too eh?

 

[joe-90]

How is climate change or whatever the hell these lefties complaining about got to do with the police?

I wonder

Me too.

About the same as the Miner's Strike I guess?

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Mr Tomlinsons death was unfortunate, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But I'm sure it was other health reason why he died, I will not defend the officer for what he did, I'm sure that could have been avoided, but for the sake of God, did Mr Tomlinson not see there was something going on, so why did it not occur to him to keep out of harms way.

 

[joe-90]

Mr Tomlinsons death was unfortunate, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But I'm sure it was other health reason why he died, I will not defend the officer for what he did, I'm sure that could have been avoided, but for the sake of God, did Mr Tomlinson not see there was something going on, so why did it not occur to him to keep out of harms way.

Because he was caught in Bully Boy's 'kettle'. Don't you read the papers? And how can you say you are 'sure' that having died just minutes after being attacked by Bully Boy that that in no way contributed to his death. If I run you over and you die in hospital would your relatives be 'sure' that you had underlying health problems? Is that what the Great British Bobby has come down to? A bully Boy that is allowed by the authorities to 'get away with it'?

If Tomlinson were your brother would you still be saying what you are saying?

 

[skitzee2k]

Mr Tomlinsons death was unfortunate, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But I'm sure it was other health reason why he died, I will not defend the officer for what he did, I'm sure that could have been avoided, but for the sake of God, did Mr Tomlinson not see there was something going on, so why did it not occur to him to keep out of harms way.

Because he was caught in Bully Boy's 'kettle'. Don't you read the papers? And how can you say you are 'sure' that having died just minutes after being attacked by Bully Boy that that in no way contributed to his death. If I run you over and you die in hospital would your relatives be 'sure' that you had underlying health problems? Is that what the Great British Bobby has come down to? A bully Boy that is allowed by the authorities to 'get away with it'?

If Tomlinson were your brother would you still be saying what you are saying?

...pictures were released of Ian Tomlinson shouting at police over an hour before he was 'trapped'. He wasn't trapped, he was there protesting and was taking the p**s out of the coppers.

Again...when the police tell you to move, you move. You don't put your hands in your pockets and start walking in baby steps.

It was unfortunate that he died, but if he had moved on, he wouldn't have been 'moved' by the police.

 

[joe-90]

I think you should watch the video mate, he was moving away with his hands in his pockets when Bully Boy attacked him in an unprovoked attack. Would you have done what Bully boy did?

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

You have a problem with authority, I don't like the police much either, they do use underhand tactics, but they also deal with underhand people.
I'm not supporting the actions of the police officer in this case, it could and should have been delt with better, reports suggest the Mr Tomlinson died of a heart attack.
So it wasn't the knock to the floor that killed him, he got up and died afterwards. Nor did his family accuse the police officer of killing him at the time, there was crowds and media surrounding the incident, they too could have contributed to his death.

 

[skitzee2k]

I think you should watch the video mate, he was moving away with his hands in his pockets when Bully Boy attacked him in an unprovoked attack. Would you have done what Bully boy did?

Again, I have seen the video, the guy who looks drunk and unpredictable wanders up to the police (why was he wondering up to a police barricade??!) he then got told to move away and put his hands in his pockets and was walking as slowly as someone re-enacting chariots of fire. He was disrupting the police.

I don't know if I would have done the same thing, as I don't know the full picture...but based on what I do know...Yes i probably would have.

 

[alsheating]

I think normal police should be as firm as this......it would result in less disruptive behaviour....I am sure that juvenile bad behaviour would be at an all time low.

 

[dextrous]

So the general concensus is that he was right to do what he did. So if I as a classroom teacher, have a child shouting at, or arguing with me, then I should get a metal bar from the labs or the metalwork room, and strike that child to the ground?

Dex, I can only assume you are playing devil's advocate.
I teacher has not got the right to strike students, the riot police DO have this right. When the police say move...you move.

I have the right to use reasonable force...as indeed has any citizen.

The more I watch that video, the less convinced I am that reasonable force was used. The officer's actions were akin to the actions reported a few weeks ago where a burgled man ran down the street after the crooks and beat one of them up.

Given their training in restraining people, it beggars belief that hitting her with a truncheon was the only reasonable and viable way of dealing with the situation.

 

[dextrous]

I think normal police should be as firm as this......it would result in less disruptive behaviour....I am sure that juvenile bad behaviour would be at an all time low.

Why not bring in the same tactics as hussein and other despots used. Make a few of the lesser desirable "disappear" into some landfill site somewhere

 

[alsheating]

I think normal police should be as firm as this......it would result in less disruptive behaviour....I am sure that juvenile bad behaviour would be at an all time low.

Why not bring in the same tactics as hussein and other despots used. Make a few of the lesser desirable "disappear" into some landfill site somewhere

with all the shocking current affairs, I must agree, I think lack of discipline is what is causing shocking crimes

 

[skitzee2k]

So the general concensus is that he was right to do what he did.

When the police say move...you move.

I have the right to use reasonable force...as indeed has any citizen.

The more I watch that video, the less convinced I am that reasonable force was used. The officer's actions were akin to the actions reported a few weeks ago where a burgled man ran down the street after the crooks and beat one of them up.

Given their training in restraining people, it beggars belief that hitting her with a truncheon was the only reasonable and viable way of dealing with the situation.

Are you suggesting that police have the same right to use force as we do Dex?
And it isn't exactly the same, the riot police officer takes like 3 paces forward to get rid of someone that shouldn't have been there. There was no intent to hurt, just to move. The other guy chased him down the street with a specific idea of hurting the other person.
I'm sure if Ian has run away like the thief, he wouldn't have been struck.

 

[skitzee2k]

I think normal police should be as firm as this......it would result in less disruptive behaviour....I am sure that juvenile bad behaviour would be at an all time low.

Why not bring in the same tactics as hussein and other despots used. Make a few of the lesser desirable "disappear" into some landfill site somewhere

with all the shocking current affairs, I must agree, I think lack of discipline is what is causing shocking crimes

...Dex has kind of led you into saying something a bit silly here

Lack of respect for authority is what is going on here. Authority gets my respect because they are here to protect and serve us.
They would not get my respect if they became a fascist SS type of force.