How far back, should we go when wanting apologies or reparations for a wrong doing?

[Ihavenojob]

anything which happened more than 70 years ago is just history, no one should be apologising or giving any reparations for wrong doings over 70 years old unless processing were started before it was started before 70 years ago, and still in process.

A Nazi concentration camp guard is set to stand trial in Germany soon. That sort of thing is ongoing as it started decades ago. It cant realistically go on much longer. Will he have to make reparations I wonder?

 

[fillyboy]

A Nazi concentration camp guard is set to stand trial in Germany soon. That sort of thing is ongoing as it started decades ago. It cant realistically go on much longer. Will he have to make reparations I wonder?

Is Germany Still Paying Reparations For World War 2?

Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939 sparked the deadliest war in history. Has Germany paid its debts for the atrocities it has committed?

www.worldatlas.com

Perhaps the most crucial aspect of Germany's reparations relates to the Holocaust. Six million Jews were killed in World War II, two out of every three in Europe. But, when the state of Israel was created in 1948, it was now possible for Germany to pay reparations to Jews via an organized political unit. Therefore, in September 1952, West Germany agreed to pay Israel three billion Deutschmarks (714 million USD) over the next 14 years. Furthermore, Holocaust survivors continue to receive restitution payments to this day. Indeed, from 1945 to 2018, Germany paid over 86 billion USD to these survivors.

Fair enough really, 6 mil is a fairly big number.

 

[ellal]

One wonders when the state of Israel will start paying reparations to the Palestinians...

Oops, I think I just saw a pig flying past my window

 

[securespark]

What about these people who have done wrong? Is it it pointless they pay reparation too?

 

[Notch7]

 

[Brigadier]

Jeez us wept......

 

[johnny2007]

We should go back as far as Adam and Eve.
Those 2 ruined it for everyone else...

 

[aveatry]

We should go back as far as Adam and Eve.
Those 2 ruined it for everyone else...

I think you will find that was actually Eve who was the one who picked the apple after listening to a snake, Adam not wanting his wife to take the rap on her own also had a couple of bites too. Here endeth the lesson - dont listen to snakes.

 

[Vinty]

A Nazi concentration camp guard is set to stand trial in Germany soon. That sort of thing is ongoing as it started decades ago. It cant realistically go on much longer. Will he have to make reparations I wonder?

Putting these people on trial is more to keep the Holocaust in the public eye than it is to do with justice for victims of the Nazis.
They ran out of real war criminals years ago, they then changed the law to make criminals out of people who did things that weren't actually criminal under the rules of war at the time.
I think it's referred to as ex post facto legislation, a bit like charging someone for smoking in a pub in 1965 when it wasn't actually illegal.

 

[transam]

Repatriation should be paid to the UK for that

1066 caper

Argentina should cough up for that Falklands
Caper

 

[Gone Skiing]

The Romans invaded us, and there have been many more since, history is full of cases where people have done things which today we do not see as right, and the world war one, reparations were in part blamed for world war two, and it was the victors who paid with World War II for the goods supplied to help win the war, errors were made, at least in some peoples eyes, for the way land which did not really belong to the victors was given away. And of course split.

So we can't really go back before World War II with any apologies or reparations in my opinion, as so much changed at that point. So I see a news report about a black boxer today what was done is clearly wrong, but it all changed in 1948, and today it is unlikely anyone responsible is still alive.

To me, our lifetime is 3 score years and 10, so anything which happened more than 70 years ago is just history, no one should be apologising or giving any reparations for wrong doings over 70 years old unless processing were started before it was started before 70 years ago, and still in process.

We need a statute of limitations, with road traffic offences it is 2 weeks, unless you have hidden your details, maybe that's too short, but I am sure that boxer is dead now, so what's the point in doing anything, can't see him fighting a title fight now.

You have conveniently conflated several issues to make your point.
a) The Black Boxer's representatives are not requesting any reparations, just an apology from the relevant Sporting Body. I would have thought that the Sporting Body ought to do the 'sporting' thing and apologise for their representatives' actions. It is irrelevant if the person who made that decision at the time is still alive, The decision was made on behalf of the Sporting Body and it continues to exist, or its relevant iteration.
So the 'analogy' of the boxer is a poor example. The later discussion about Genocide of Jews is more appropriate, as an analogy.
b) Reparations are not about punishing those responsible for the actions, that is usually not possible. They are about righting the wrongs of the past for those still suffering from the effects of those actions. Therefore the criteria is "are the victims, or their descendants, or their kith and kin (used in the original sense of the phrase) still suffering from the inappropriate, incorrect, illegal or inhuman actions of the past?" Therefore your phrase "and still in process" is very relevant. If the wrong actions, in the past, are still affecting the 'kith and kin' of the living, then reparations should be due. Those reparations are not compensation. Reparations are about righting the injustices of the past, not compensating for them.

Therefore reparations can be in the form of public acknowledgement, education, laws, reforms, etc. It is not about financial compensation.
It is absolutely not about punishing those responsible, which is invariably impossible.

 

[johnny2007]

You have conveniently conflated several issues to make your point.
a) The Black Boxer's representatives are not requesting any reparations, just an apology from the relevant Sporting Body. I would have thought that the Sporting Body ought to do the 'sporting' thing and apologise for their representatives' actions. It is irrelevant if the person who made that decision at the time is still alive, The decision was made on behalf of the Sporting Body and it continues to exist, or its relevant iteration.
So the 'analogy' of the boxer is a poor example. The later discussion about Genocide of Jews is more appropriate, as an analogy.
b) Reparations are not about punishing those responsible for the actions, that is usually not possible. They are about righting the wrongs of the past for those still suffering from the effects of those actions. Therefore the criteria is "are the victims, or their descendants, or their kith and kin (used in the original sense of the phrase) still suffering from the inappropriate, incorrect, illegal or inhuman actions of the past?" Therefore your phrase "and still in process" is very relevant. If the wrong actions, in the past, are still affecting the 'kith and kin' of the living, then reparations should be due. Those reparations are not compensation. Reparations are about righting the injustices of the past, not compensating for them.

Therefore reparations can be in the form of public acknowledgement, education, laws, reforms, etc. It is not about financial compensation.
It is absolutely not about punishing those responsible, which is invariably impossible.

Himmy?

 

[Vinty]

When i saw the username, 'Gone Skiing' i thought it was Noseall using a pseudonym.
On reading the post, its obvious who it is. LOL.

 

[noseall]

When i saw the username, 'Gone Skiing' i thought it was Noseall using a pseudonym.
On reading the post, its obvious who it is. LOL.

I've only ever posted under 'noseall' since I discovered what a PC and the internet was, in 2007. #

EDIT: 2006.

 

[johnny2007]

When i saw the username, 'Gone Skiing' i thought it was Noseall using a pseudonym.
On reading the post, its obvious who it is. LOL.

At least this time he followed my advice and instead of throwing himself in the general discussion forum and spit nonsense, he pretended to have a problem with a handbrake.
He's improving.