It goes under the name, of 'care in the community'.
How far back, should we go when wanting apologies or reparations for a wrong doing?
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It goes under the name, of 'care in the community'.
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I'd read the whole thread, and many of the comments you refer to.
Assumption is, as they say, the mother of all f**k-ups.
I don't think you're the anything one, or that anyone else is the anything one.
I found the response to my post unhelpful and divisive.
They didn't like the clarinet...
If they didn't move there in The 40s, bet they did when Himmy moved in.
Or maybe, simply they didn't like living next door to a racist bigot in drags...
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Again, assumption asssumption assumption...
I implore you to look back over the posts you have written in response to those I have written, and gently consider for yourself why it might be that I am left a little exasperated, and a little glum.
... nice word glum - I think I shall use it more often...
Block him.
He's a racist bigot in drags, preaching against racism
It's like a paedophile preaching against children's abuse.
Not worth even a second of your time.
So, I found post 26 useful and interesting - I'd invite you to have a re-read of it.Block him.
He's a racist bigot in drags, preaching against racism
It's like a paedophile preaching against children's abuse.
Not worth even a second of your time.
...and I'm sure you can see the irony of suggesting that I block a person's posts, when what I am being critical of is exactly the sort of divisive name-calling in your post.
Can't read post #26 because I blocked himmy the day he rejoined and restarted his nonsensical arguments.
Perhaps we have a misunderstanding - I'm really not interested in being right or in defending a position.
It is seriously difficult for me to understand how, when it is possible to write something as relevent, thoughtful and cogent as this in post 26:
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You have conveniently conflated several issues to make your point.
a) The Black Boxer's representatives are not requesting any reparations, just an apology from the relevant Sporting Body. I would have thought that the Sporting Body ought to do the 'sporting' thing and apologise for their representatives' actions. It is irrelevant if the person who made that decision at the time is still alive, The decision was made on behalf of the Sporting Body and it continues to exist, or its relevant iteration.
So the 'analogy' of the boxer is a poor example. The later discussion about Genocide of Jews is more appropriate, as an analogy.
b) Reparations are not about punishing those responsible for the actions, that is usually not possible. They are about righting the wrongs of the past for those still suffering from the effects of those actions. Therefore the criteria is "are the victims, or their descendants, or their kith and kin (used in the original sense of the phrase) still suffering from the inappropriate, incorrect, illegal or inhuman actions of the past?" Therefore your phrase "and still in process" is very relevant. If the wrong actions, in the past, are still affecting the 'kith and kin' of the living, then reparations should be due. Those reparations are not compensation. Reparations are about righting the injustices of the past, not compensating for them.
Therefore reparations can be in the form of public acknowledgement, education, laws, reforms, etc. It is not about financial compensation.
It is absolutely not about punishing those responsible, which is invariably impossible."
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...that it is not possible to see this as divisive:
Except for reganandcarter, he thinks he's a member of a superior race.
I bet he also thinks he's a model citizen.
...and that you are asking for help to be able to see this (for example) as assumptive:
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"You obviously haven't read many of reganandcarter's comments"
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When you are capable of writing so clearly and helpfully as in post 26, how do you manage not to see how unhelpful it is to sink into the kind of sneering point scoring insulting back and forth that follows?
What upsets me in this is that the very real people suffering in Gaza and elsewhere are completely absent from consideration in this whole "you're racist" "no you're racist" nonsense.
Do you really think that you will bring about positive change by calling people names?
The awful ongoing consequences of living in a racist world, where white supremacy permeates the beings of both white bodies and bodies of colour is clear for anyone who takes more than a cursery glance.
So, of course there's racism in you, and in reganandcarter, and in me - how could it be otherwise? Malcolm Gladwell was willing to admit to his prejudice against black men, so it seems a little rich for you and I to claim otherwise, quite frankly.
It would perhaps be more helpful if we were all able to admit this, and get curious about how we might change both ourselves and the world around us.
To engage in this childish point scoring name calling, in the context of the awful suffering going on right now, caused by racism, is frankly sickening - I invite us all to do better.
No worries - I've copied it in my post above.
I'm curious to attempt to drag us back to the original question of the thread, and to get specific and personal, as a way to think about it....
One of my mother's grandfathers was a white riverboat captain in Africa. He made a fair amount of money, which he took back to the UK, and has, to some extent, passed down through the family.
The work on the riverboat was undertaken by a team of local black men. I think we can be pretty confident that they were skilled and hardworking (otherwise the venture would have been unsuccessful), that they were underpaid and treated with, at best, being patronised. (I can't help being a little disgusted at his referring to these men, his colleagues, many of whom will likely have been older and more skilled and experienced than him, as 'his boys'.
I think we can be reasonably confident that these men's poverty will have also been inherited in their families to this year, this week, this day.
My mother is unwell, will likely die in the next few years, leaving me an inheritance which is easily and clearly traceable back to the injustice of the colonial actions of my great grandfather.
It would seem frankly weird for me, given that I see how I benefit directly from this injustice, whilst others suffer from this specific history, for me to refuse to do the decent thing and look for some opportunity to make reparation.
It's interesting to see how David Harewood and David Lascelles are thinking together about reparation:
One of my mother's grandfathers was a white riverboat captain in Africa. He made a fair amount of money, which he took back to the UK, and has, to some extent, passed down through the family.
The work on the riverboat was undertaken by a team of local black men. I think we can be pretty confident that they were skilled and hardworking (otherwise the venture would have been unsuccessful), that they were underpaid and treated with, at best, being patronised. (I can't help being a little disgusted at his referring to these men, his colleagues, many of whom will likely have been older and more skilled and experienced than him, as 'his boys'.
I think we can be reasonably confident that these men's poverty will have also been inherited in their families to this year, this week, this day.
My mother is unwell, will likely die in the next few years, leaving me an inheritance which is easily and clearly traceable back to the injustice of the colonial actions of my great grandfather.
It would seem frankly weird for me, given that I see how I benefit directly from this injustice, whilst others suffer from this specific history, for me to refuse to do the decent thing and look for some opportunity to make reparation.
It's interesting to see how David Harewood and David Lascelles are thinking together about reparation:
David Harewood: Portrait to diversify Harewood House art collection
The portrait of the Homeland actor will go on display at the 18th Century house near Leeds.
www.bbc.co.uk
David Harewood: Actor says the government should apologise for slavery
David Harewood visits a stately home built using the profits of plantations where his ancestors were enslaved.
www.bbc.co.uk
Dear Gone Skiing, (and others),
Thank you for your kind and repeated invitation to join you, ReganAndCarter, Notch7, Agas etc* in the game of "Who's more Racist?" that you've all agreed to play together.
I am sorry to let you all down in declining this kind offer.
Best wishes to you all, Stephen
*The other players I am sure will forgive me for not naming them individually.
Thank you for your kind and repeated invitation to join you, ReganAndCarter, Notch7, Agas etc* in the game of "Who's more Racist?" that you've all agreed to play together.
I am sorry to let you all down in declining this kind offer.
Best wishes to you all, Stephen
*The other players I am sure will forgive me for not naming them individually.
Yep, don't encourage the forum's own nutter. Don't feed the troll. They wither and die, if they don't get the attention they so desperately crave.
Just to be clear, I'm not supporting the disingenuous narrative that the problem is one poster.
The barely disguised and frankly nasty racism that Gone Skiing repeatedly reacts to is toxic and disgusting.
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