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well, there is a whole thread about it
"After Brexit any EU citizens not working should be deported"
I don't understand. EU: "We have a deal".
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well, there is a whole thread about it
"After Brexit any EU citizens not working should be deported"
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The UK has a low level of regulations including workers rightsGood. It’s getting far too expensive to protect the plebs in the workplace these days. Eats right into my profits. There - that’s ANOTHER benefit of Brexit.
Perhaps Motman prefers the Indian model of workers rights
I can only strive to reach those dizzy heights. One day......
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We didn't have workers rights in the Victorian era and that's where the Britannia Unchained set want to take us.
Their fantasy is Singapore on the Thames. About 30% of Singapore workforce is foreign doing the low grade dead end jobs. Now as we want to compete with these countries we will have to cut labour costs but we don't want immigration so the UK workers will have to do these jobs and accept fewer rights and lower wages. Being unemployed will not be an option as benefits will be tightened and tightened making it harder and harder to claim. So their only option is a crappy job or be destitute.
On top we will slash spending on education and health. So what Motty has championed is for his sons and daughters to work longer for less and hope to God they don't get ill.
Their fantasy is Singapore on the Thames. About 30% of Singapore workforce is foreign doing the low grade dead end jobs. Now as we want to compete with these countries we will have to cut labour costs but we don't want immigration so the UK workers will have to do these jobs and accept fewer rights and lower wages. Being unemployed will not be an option as benefits will be tightened and tightened making it harder and harder to claim. So their only option is a crappy job or be destitute.
On top we will slash spending on education and health. So what Motty has championed is for his sons and daughters to work longer for less and hope to God they don't get ill.
Why do you, Notchy, Ellie and the rest of your gang keep saying that? We DO want immigration but only those immigrants that want to work. What we DONT want are those immigrants that come here to beg, steal, rob and ponce from the state as we have enough of our own scum to do that.
good grief , how on earth can you have the cheek to complain about silly insults . you have yet to make it out of the playground , puerile childish insults are your MO
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Boris gave the EU an even better deal than May did.
It is basically Theresa Mays deal as she negotiated in February. Remember that deal that Theresa May negotiated and then whipped her own MPs to vote against? Yeah the one that had a border between the U.K. and Northern Ireland? Yeah that one.... that’s the one Boris basically got....
The concession the U.K. believe they got from the EU is that they can remove the level playing field clause: this was basically a guarantee that UK won’t reduce worker rights and goods quality. I say the U.K. believe they got a concession because in agreeing to remove the clause the EU has put in a new clause; it basically says they will monitor worker rights and goods quality in the U.K. and restrict access to the single market if the U.K. goes sub par, same thing they do to China.
Seeing as the U.K. is getting ready for chlorine chicken it is almost certain the UK will get restricted access to the single market. Just like China, Cambodia, Pakistan etc.
The second concession the U.K. believe they got is that the backstop is gone. Well not really, see basically now instead of the backstop being a legal gurantee, it has become an operational and system solution and instead of it kicking in if a future deal fails to materialise; it now automatically kicks in at the end of the transition period, future deal or not. Basically; this is how it will now function: Northern Ireland for all intents and purposes will be part of the EU customs and operate as such.
Goods crossing from U.K. into Northern Ireland will go through a U.K. port customs, to check quality and health clearances, as if Nothern Ireland is a operationally foreign country.
Goods from Ireland (and the EU) however will flow as if it is a United Ireland operating in the EU, but legally Northern Ireland will be under UK customs. Are you confused? Well, look at it this way, Northern Ireland with this deal just took 99 steps towards independence (economically and politically) and possible reunification with Ireland just edged closer, probably even closer and earlier than Scottish independence. No wonder the DUP have burst their hernia in anger; deservedly and predictably; they have been shafted by the Tories.
The rest of Theresa Mays deal remains as it was, infact 95% of the text didn’t change. Basically if I were Theresa May, I would be ****ed; Boris copied her work and got more marks than she did.
The EU still get their money; and a future trade deal still hasn’t been negotiated; and will be even more ball bursting that this exit deal especially since the U.K. is about to downgrade workers and product quality. The deal is so bad, Nigel Farage wants an extension;
The EU has as usual hoodwinked Boris, clapping and hailing him; pfft such a moron.
The idiot literally walked into DFS and bought a sofa at full price.
It is basically Theresa Mays deal as she negotiated in February. Remember that deal that Theresa May negotiated and then whipped her own MPs to vote against? Yeah the one that had a border between the U.K. and Northern Ireland? Yeah that one.... that’s the one Boris basically got....
The concession the U.K. believe they got from the EU is that they can remove the level playing field clause: this was basically a guarantee that UK won’t reduce worker rights and goods quality. I say the U.K. believe they got a concession because in agreeing to remove the clause the EU has put in a new clause; it basically says they will monitor worker rights and goods quality in the U.K. and restrict access to the single market if the U.K. goes sub par, same thing they do to China.
Seeing as the U.K. is getting ready for chlorine chicken it is almost certain the UK will get restricted access to the single market. Just like China, Cambodia, Pakistan etc.
The second concession the U.K. believe they got is that the backstop is gone. Well not really, see basically now instead of the backstop being a legal gurantee, it has become an operational and system solution and instead of it kicking in if a future deal fails to materialise; it now automatically kicks in at the end of the transition period, future deal or not. Basically; this is how it will now function: Northern Ireland for all intents and purposes will be part of the EU customs and operate as such.
Goods crossing from U.K. into Northern Ireland will go through a U.K. port customs, to check quality and health clearances, as if Nothern Ireland is a operationally foreign country.
Goods from Ireland (and the EU) however will flow as if it is a United Ireland operating in the EU, but legally Northern Ireland will be under UK customs. Are you confused? Well, look at it this way, Northern Ireland with this deal just took 99 steps towards independence (economically and politically) and possible reunification with Ireland just edged closer, probably even closer and earlier than Scottish independence. No wonder the DUP have burst their hernia in anger; deservedly and predictably; they have been shafted by the Tories.
The rest of Theresa Mays deal remains as it was, infact 95% of the text didn’t change. Basically if I were Theresa May, I would be ****ed; Boris copied her work and got more marks than she did.
The EU still get their money; and a future trade deal still hasn’t been negotiated; and will be even more ball bursting that this exit deal especially since the U.K. is about to downgrade workers and product quality. The deal is so bad, Nigel Farage wants an extension;
The EU has as usual hoodwinked Boris, clapping and hailing him; pfft such a moron.
The idiot literally walked into DFS and bought a sofa at full price.
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Immigration is your be all and end all. For some pseudo control over immigration you have sold your kids down the river.
Sadly mottie you have been happy to have been drip fed the right wing bovine excrement for so long that you now believe every word they spout...
And you fail to comprehend that in it's zeal to create a 'hostile environment' towards immigration, the skilled migrants that you claim to want to come here are being rejected in their droves by the HO...
EU migrants will in future be treated the same as those from the rest of the world...
Unless of course free trade agreements are struck with countries that have shall we say, different skin colours?
Wouldn't it be ironic that the poster that garbage outrageously used comes to fruition
mottie and his ilk have denied their kids the opportunities that the last couple of generations have enjoyed because...
They are scared of migrants taking the jobs that their kids are 'too good' to do...
The ironic thing is that the generations to come in the UK will find it difficult, if not almost impossible, to enjoy the freedoms of Europe...
And those migrants that mottie and his ilk look down upon won't give a monkeys...
Because they have 27 countries to choose from - our kids will only have 1 !
(I say 'our kids' in a general sense, because our actual kids will still have the freedom of Europe
)"Many MPs will vote for the Johnson package tomorrow because they think they are avoiding no deal.
But this simply isn’t the case. Under this treaty, the UK will enter a standstill transition period until December 2020. If there is no fully-fledged trade deal agreed with the EU by then, the UK will crash out anyway.
In other words, if the Johnson deal passes tomorrow, Britain will spend the first half of 2020 having the same argument it has had for the past three years. Do we accept the tough trade terms the EU wants to inflict on us? Do we ask for an extension? Or do we crash out?
MPs campaigning for a confirmatory referendum will not give up hope. If Mr Johnson succeeds tomorrow, they will try to pass an amendment demanding one in the time left before the UK’s departure on October 31.
But the numbers probably aren’t there because MPs and the British public believe that passage of the Johnson deal will mark the crossing of a Rubicon. They want the UK to move on to other things.
Of all the illusions about Brexit, this is probably the greatest of all."
https://www.ft.com/content/8676d8e0-f19e-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195
But this simply isn’t the case. Under this treaty, the UK will enter a standstill transition period until December 2020. If there is no fully-fledged trade deal agreed with the EU by then, the UK will crash out anyway.
In other words, if the Johnson deal passes tomorrow, Britain will spend the first half of 2020 having the same argument it has had for the past three years. Do we accept the tough trade terms the EU wants to inflict on us? Do we ask for an extension? Or do we crash out?
MPs campaigning for a confirmatory referendum will not give up hope. If Mr Johnson succeeds tomorrow, they will try to pass an amendment demanding one in the time left before the UK’s departure on October 31.
But the numbers probably aren’t there because MPs and the British public believe that passage of the Johnson deal will mark the crossing of a Rubicon. They want the UK to move on to other things.
Of all the illusions about Brexit, this is probably the greatest of all."
https://www.ft.com/content/8676d8e0-f19e-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195
Dominic Raab is telling the ERG: 'vote for the deal as it will become no deal at the end of the transition period'.
And Boris Johnson is telling everyone vote for my deal to stop no deal.
Labour all the power on this, only Labour rebels will get the deal through.
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The ERG rebels will vote for this because they have been given assurances that if the trade talks break down then its a NO DEAL in 2020.
Corrected for you...
"The ERG rebels will vote for this because they have been given assurances that WHEN the trade talks break down then its a NO DEAL in 2020."
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