I was in a Hezbollah tunnel

[ajohn]

Also, please note that Palestinians are the only group of refugees in the world (there are about 117 million refugees worldwide) where refugee status is hereditary.

I was just pointing out that the UNHCR view could be expanded given the time to when refugees could return,. Children could figure. Depends how long the period is. Not supporting the idea but wondering what the actual legal framework is.

I also wonder how many would return or if some should be allowed to because of where they are. That would depend on how they are treated. It varies even in terms of where from west bank or gaza strip. They are really limited in Lebanon for instance. Jordan depends on where from. Egypt rather weird as it seems some can still go there but money needed going on one interview, Odd bits around a bit here

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JohnD]

Also, please note that Palestinians are the only group of refugees in the world (there are about 117 million refugees worldwide) where refugee status is hereditary.

That's interesting.

So in your view, a man of generations of European heritage from, say, Poland, cannot claim that his homeland is in the Middle East.

 

[Nwgs2]

That's interesting.

So in your view, a man of generations of European heritage from, say, Poland, cannot claim that his homeland is in the Middle East.

He could, but he’s not a refugee

 

[JohnD]

He could, but he’s not a refugee

And a man who was born in the Middle East, with generations of Middle Eastern heritage in the same area, and displaced by armed foreign terrorists, you think does not have that right.

 

[JohnD]

He could, but he’s not a refugee

He's a colonist, and considers he has rights that the indigenous people don't.

 

[fillyboy]

And a man who was born in the Middle East, with generations of Middle Eastern heritage in the same area, and displaced by armed foreign terrorists, you think does not have that right.

He does in my opinion, but that right doesn't pass down through generations and there is no basis in law allowing for it.

That's interesting.

So in your view, a man of generations of European heritage from, say, Poland, cannot claim that his homeland is in the Middle East.

There is no basis in international law. But Aliyah, the right of jews from anywhere in the world is a domestic law passed in Israel in 1950 allowing jews to migrate to Israel and take up citizenship. Israel are a sovereign state and as such entitled to pass such laws.
As somebody who had Irish parents, I'm entitled to an Irish passport and can claim Irish citizenship. There is nothing in international law that allows for this, it's a domestic arrangement between UK and Eire.

 

[Nwgs2]

And a man who was born in the Middle East, with generations of Middle Eastern heritage in the same area, and displaced by armed foreign terrorists, you think does not have that right.

You’re waffling John.

Make your point please.

 

[Andydevon]

I think John is sympathizing with the Israelis who have left their homes and lands due the threats from the rapy murdering Palestinians.

Deserted streets in Israel's border towns

Paul Adams visits the border town of Kiryat Shmona as rockets continue to be fired from Lebanon.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fillyboy]

I think John is sympathizing with the Israelis who have left their homes and lands due the threats from the rapy murdering Palestinians.

Deserted streets in Israel's border towns

Paul Adams visits the border town of Kiryat Shmona as rockets continue to be fired from Lebanon.

www.bbc.co.uk

60,000 citizens displaced.

 

[fillyboy]

Hassan Nasrallah, head of Hezbollah reported dead.

 

[fillyboy]

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Bloody hell!

Seconded - I had no idea they were such sophisticated tunnels.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Your conflating different issues. There is no legal status for refugee status becoming hereditary.

I made it clear, that the claim is based on the Jews argument that the return of stolen property has no Statute of Limitation.
That refers to the private property stolen from Palestinians.

...
The argument about no Statute of Limitation was based on the Jews argument for the return of stolen property.
...

I went on to explain how the Right of Return is far more than just the return or compensation of stolen property.
it's another element which needs addressing as well as the compensation for stolen property.
Addressing the one is insufficient A Right of Return and compensation or return of stolen property is required. Most of the Palestinian refugees are stateless, and Israel has caused that condition.

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Bu there is another complexity, my right of return to UK, assuming I had emigrated, would not only be to any property that I own, or rent, or buy.
It is an inalienable right to reside anywhere in the UK, and not to be restricted to only the property that I own.
Indeed I could live in London, then move to Manchester, then retire to Devon, if I so wished.
The Right of Return is a Right to live anywhere within that territory, with the freedom of movement (within obvious property laws).

Therefore the Right to Return might include the physical Right to Return to the country, and compensation for any stolen property.
It is not sufficient to compensate someone for their loss of nationality.
And the vast majority of Palestinian refugees are still in a state of limbo, as far as nationality is concerned. They are Israeli or Palestinian, but can't live there, visit there, or travel within the borders.

There is a basis for compensation of loss of property in financial terms, and I would guess descendants would be legally allowed to claim.

See above.

But the right of return to 5.5 million people isn't going to happen unless the Terrorists achieve their aim of destroying Israel.

It's a basic Human Right, laid down in law by the UN.

The right of a person to return to his home in his native country traditionally has been included among an individual’s fundamental rights.
The right of the individual to return home was taken as a corollary to the basic right of freedom of movement once this was established.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-210170/

The United Nations General Assembly adopts resolution 194 (III), resolving that “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

https://www.unrwa.org/content/resolution-194

You can segue your way around it as much as you wish, but you can't evade the basic Human Right of Return laid down by the UN, which Israel has refused to recognise since 1949.
And your argument about unequal populations would not have applied in 1949.

 

[Vinty]

Also, please note that Palestinians are the only group of refugees in the world (there are about 117 million refugees worldwide) where refugee status is hereditary.

The Jews apply the same principle to the right of return based on ancestral inheritance.
Probably a semitic thing.

 

[ajohn]

Hassan Nasrallah, head of Hezbollah reported dead.

2 bunker busters probably took out more than that.

What happens next Another steps up to take his place. Just as he did to replaced another,