If the BBC invited him on to do a hatchet job

[noseall]

Can Spuey differentiate between terrorists and immigrants?

Can Spuey differentiate between migrants and refugees?

Can Spuey tell us what he thinks would happen if we had an immediate blanket ban on all immigration?

 

[DRM]

Andrew Neil has producers and those producers have bosses and so on up the management chain.

I was annoyed that he didn’t give that chap the time of day, if he had have done we would all have had the chance to make up our own minds as whether or not he was talking sense.

The whole setup gave me the impression that the establishment wanted someone to discredit the chap same as what they used to do with UKIP and Andrew Neil was chosen to perform the task.

When he realised that he couldn’t do it he terminated the so-called interview very abruptly.

 

[blightymam]

DM, you seem to think that one interview undoes everything Neil has done in his lifetime, just because he gave someone who's views you share a hard time. That's fair enough because it's your view (at odds with mine) but to say things like the Paris video supports your claim is strange and so far I've not seen a sensible reply as to why that is.

 

[DRM]

Did the Paris video clip not strike you as pure propaganda?

It is one thing telling these Islamist scumbags that whatever atrocities they are currently capable of committing they will lose, but he would not let someone who claims to have some answers speak without being browbeaten.

In the Paris clip he claimed to be speaking to ISIS and their like (knowing they would not listen) when in reality he was trying to pacify us the non-violent masses.

 

[blightymam]

Did the Paris video clip not strike you as pure propaganda?
.

Why is it? It was a positive piece with positive intention and it was well received by all but a handful of... er, conspiracy theorists.

Propaganda to me is right wing parties doing what they are doing with immigration and terrorism attacks, preying on that fear and creating more.

 

[sooey]

Can Spuey differentiate between terrorists and immigrants?

Can you? Tell the various governments if you can, they could do with the help.

Can Spuey differentiate between migrants and refugees?

Once they're in they're in. are you going to tell me that all illegal immigrants/economic migrants who reach the promised land will be sent back.

Can Spuey tell us what he thinks would happen if we had an immediate blanket ban on all immigration?

Can you tell me where I've called for that? I've said we need to get a grip, I've said we need to control it, I think it was just the other day I was saying that we should only let people in we need, people who have something to contribute, which does not necessarily include hordes of poor, uneducated and ignorant people from north Africa, the subcontinent and elsewhere.
So don't attribute false assumptions on your part to me. Worm tongue does enough of that.

 

[sooey]

I am for immigration control, not closure.

So am I at the moment, then see how that works out, but reserving the right to tighten more if necessary.

It should be done in a fair manner, not just Muslims, which is what you're mainly talking about.

I talk mainly about muslim immigration at present because that is where most non EU immigration is coming from. If it was hindu's I'd be talking about them. If it was budhists I'd be talking about them etc. But when you say fair I have to ask you again fair to whom, you can't be fair to everyone, it's impossible.

 

[noseall]

Can you? Tell the various governments if you can, they could do with the help.

Terrorists are the ones murdering and maiming.

Once they're in they're in. are you going to tell me that all illegal immigrants/economic migrants who reach the promised land will be sent back.

Some will but I agree, a lot won't. However Our economy depends upon migrants.

Can you tell me where I've called for that? I've said we need to get a grip, I've said we need to control it, I think it was just the other day I was saying that we should only let people in we need, people who have something to contribute, which does not necessarily include hordes of poor, uneducated and ignorant people from north Africa, the subcontinent and elsewhere.
So don't attribute false assumptions on your part to me. Worm tongue does enough of that.

Here lies the problem then, if you can't differentiate between migrants we want, migrants we don't want and refugees that we feel we should have.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Did the Paris video clip not strike you as pure propaganda?

That sort of thing is not really propaganda, is it?

It is one thing telling these Islamist scumbags that whatever atrocities they are currently capable of committing they will lose, but he would not let someone who claims to have some answers speak without being browbeaten.

Well, he could hardly brow-beat himself.
Perhaps we could see him interview an IS spokesman. Would you like him to be brow-beaten?

In the Paris clip he claimed to be speaking to ISIS and their like (knowing they would not listen) when in reality he was trying to pacify us the non-violent masses.

They may not listen but they would be listening. Are they used to seeing the likes of that?
I wouldn't call it pacifying. I thought it quite stirring and most unusual for tv presenters.
I did hear it live on the night.

It was surely better than blandly reading out the details of the latest atrocity while trying to remain impartial.


Perhaps it would be refreshing if after a particularly fruitless interview with a politician (Paxman-Howard?) the presenter could be heard muttering "What a waƞker!".

 

[sooey]

er, conspiracy theorists.

Now you're doing what you, I and others accuse worm tongue of, you're putting labels on people you disagree with to make it easier for you to dismiss their views.
I for instance have never had much time for conspiracy theories, alien visitors hushed up, Americans bombing their own twin towers, CIA killing Kennedy and any number of wild tales there are out there.
But never mind that why don't you spell out what conspiracy theory you seem to think people who don't agree with you about Neil have subscribed too.

 

[noseall]

I talk mainly about muslim immigration at present because that is where most non EU immigration is coming from.

I think you'll find that it's China, India and USA that have the greatest numbers migrating to the UK and in that order. Then I think it is Australia. Where do you get your figures from Spuey? Let me guess The KKK brotherhood of anti-Muslim Islam bashers league?

 

[blightymam]

er, conspiracy theorists.

Now you're doing what you, I and others accuse worm tongue of, you're putting labels on people you disagree with to make it easier for you to dismiss their views.
I for instance have never had much time for conspiracy theories, alien visitors hushed up, Americans bombing their own twin towers, CIA killing Kennedy and any number of wild tales there are out there.
But never mind that why don't you spell out what conspiracy theory you seem to think people who don't agree with you about Neil have subscribed too.

'Er...' bit was because I couldn't think of another way of getting my point over, maybe fantasist? What's a word for someone seeing something that's not there? Without proper explanations from DM, I am left with what? To take his views as correct even tho there's no proof of it being propaganda? And the general receipt of that speech by Neil was a positive one?

I've yet to see a reason why that Paris video helped back up DM's claims, nor have I seen anything to say the Paris video was propaganda. So yeah, it was leaving me with little else. If DM gives me a proper explanation as to why the Paris vid was propaganda, then I will happily apologise.

And please Sooey, labeling is also your forte. You want me to play fair, then play fair yourself!!

 

[DRM]

Did the Paris video clip not strike you as pure propaganda?
.

Why is it? It was a positive piece with positive intention and it was well received by all but a handful of... er, conspiracy theorists.

Propaganda to me is right wing parties doing what they are doing with immigration and terrorism attacks, preying on that fear and creating more.

I could say, “You are also doing a 'Himmy'”, but I won’t.

Instead, can I suggest that you read this?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/iain-dales-blog-30195/entry/120/10108

 

[blightymam]

Did the Paris video clip not strike you as pure propaganda?
.

Why is it? It was a positive piece with positive intention and it was well received by all but a handful of... er, conspiracy theorists.

Propaganda to me is right wing parties doing what they are doing with immigration and terrorism attacks, preying on that fear and creating more.

I could say, “You are also doing a 'Himmy'”, but I won’t.

Instead, can I suggest that you read this?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/iain-dales-blog-30195/entry/120/10108

But you're not answering anything! All morning you've given me nothing other than your own thoughts, with nothing concrete to help back up those thoughts. And we go no further forward!!
Telling me vids are propaganda with no reasoning, giving me links to anti funding, these things are not answering my questions as to why Andrew Neil has helped your claims.

 

[sooey]

I talk mainly about muslim immigration at present because that is where most non EU immigration is coming from.

I think you'll find that it's China, India and USA that have the greatest numbers migrating to the UK and in that order. Then I think it is Australia. Where do you get your figures from Spuey? Let me guess The KKK brotherhood of anti-Muslim Islam bashers league?

That would be the legal ones you're talking about then.