Insurance fraud?

You do struggle to understand and get things right - The description you were looking for, for the Citroen suspension, was 'hydropneumatic'. It was a liquid (oil) combined with air suspension. Having both driven Citroens, as well as ridden in Citroens in that era, I found it rather wallowy, rather like being at sea. As you rightly suggest, the major point was the suspension able to cope well with a highly variable load. I also seem to remember BL tried a similar idea, on some of their vehicles, such as the Princess.

No, I think it's more a case of you struggling to read? That's why I said "... (albeit not in the form we see on most air-suspension cars today)". I'm afraid I saw you coming from a mile off with that comment...:).

Having owned two DS, two CX and a BX, over the years, I'm pretty familiar with the oleopneumatic system they use, but thanks for the "lesson" all the same. If you want to try and get smart, it's not hydropneumatic, because there's no "hydro" involved. That's just a popular misnomer. And while I'm putting you straight, the spheres were nitrogen-filled, rather than air. BL's idea was the Moulton "Hydragas" setup, which was a sort of "pound shop" version of the Citroen system, with no engine-driven hydraulic pump, so it couldn't self-level.

To be honest, I am finding your constant bragging and defence of your EV, and it's 'special qualities' rather tiresome.

Yes, I'm sure you'd prefer it if I just rolled-over and lapped up the BS, rather than try to set the record straight.;) However, I quite like the idea of "truth" - I'm old-fashioned like that, you see. However, if it's proving tiresome for you, there is a solution...

If it's really that good, then I am sure it will sell itself, without your help.

Ultimately, I'm sure they will too, but the lies, negativity and BS is hampering that transition, and, as I've already said, I can't abide that...
 
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No, I think it's more a case of you struggling to read? That's why I said "... (albeit not in the form we see on most air-suspension cars today)". I'm afraid I saw you coming from a mile off with that comment...:).

That's it, enough of your BS, you no longer exist - you just joined the damned..!
 
You said "can't / wont". So if not legislation, what's stopping them?
Assumption, same as everything else coming from you.
No, not all of those use cobalt. (But you know that... right...)? ;) Of course, pretty much all ICE cars use fuel that requires cobalt to refine it. (And you knew that too, didn't you...)? ;)
The fossil fuel industry is the most regulated on the planet, more regulated than the pharmaceutical industry.
Anything they do is either paid for or done accordingly to strict rules.
I know that because my very close friend is a top manager in one of the biggest oil companies in the world.
He also tells me that within the industry there's no panic whatsoever because they know the transition to alternative fuel will take decades.
And they know that electric will fail.
For some reason that you won't understand they're investing money in hydrogen technology.
 
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That means more electric cars.

Though not powered by big batteries, soaking up the amps, from the grid.

The grid, has been really struggling recently - little to no wind, little to no solar, so lots of gas is having to be burnt, to make up for it. Not very green at all.
 
To be honest, I am finding your constant bragging and defence of your EV, and it's 'special qualities' rather tiresome. If it's really that good, then I am sure it will sell itself, without your help.
You haven't forgotten, have you, that this topic morphed from being about insurance to being about EVs not because Avocet decided to start "bragging about" EVs but because one of the anti-EV crowd decided to start up his anti-EV propaganda?
 
You said "can't / wont". So if not legislation, what's stopping them?
Assumption, same as everything else coming from you.

Hang on - you really DID say that car makers can't or won't use the leather you think they should.

So are you now saying that the makers are assuming that they're prevented by legislation?

Or are you assuming that they are prevented?


He also tells me that within the industry there's no panic whatsoever because they know the transition to alternative fuel will take decades.
And they know that electric will fail.
For some reason that you won't understand they're investing money in hydrogen technology.
They also know about global heating caused by burning fossil fuels, and have done for decades.

For some reason you don't want to understand that part of their knowledge.
 
Assumption, same as everything else coming from you.

That's not even an answer to the question - you realise that, don't you? I'll ask you again: "what's stopping them"?

The fossil fuel industry is the most regulated on the planet, more regulated than the pharmaceutical industry.
Anything they do is either paid for or done accordingly to strict rules.
I know that because my very close friend is a top manager in one of the biggest oil companies in the world.

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You jest, right?! :ROFLMAO: The oil industry has an utterly appalling reputation! Look at the Niger delta! Practically everywhere outside the First World that those guys touch, ends up trashed. Keep drinking the Kool aid....or smoking it, or whatever you do... I really don't think many people will take you seriously if you try to hold up Big Oil as a paragon of well-regulated virtue. Take the example you're so fond of, cobalt. EV manufacturers are setting up blockchain systems to at least try to avoid using stuff obtained with child labour - if it's going to use the stuff at all. The oil industry has been using it for decades and never once has asked too many questions about where it comes from.

He also tells me that within the industry there's no panic whatsoever because they know the transition to alternative fuel will take decades.

Indeed it will. Nobody is claiming otherwise.

And they know that electric will fail.

Ah... hubris... Kodak "knew" that digital cameras would fail too...:)

For some reason that you won't understand they're investing money in hydrogen technology.

Oh it's a reason I understand perfectly well! They know that their days are numbered selling oil. Purely aside from the regulatory and environmental challenges, they also know they will run out of the stuff. They, better than most, know that all these stories about new oil being continuously formed, are BS - that's why they're now wringing the last dregs out of shale and sand. They make their living out of selling fuel to people...

So... what to do? They can't sell electricity to people - not in any real quantities. Too many competitors - but worse than that, the plebs can bloody make their own! That won't do! No... they need something that will tie people to them, like oil did. Something they can control, and where people have to keep coming back to them for more of it...

...I wonder what that would be...?

But hey, good luck to them, I say! If they can find some way of making it with minimal environmental damage - good on them! And if you want to buy it off them and put it in a car - knock yourself out! Far be it from my mind to point out how expensive that's going to be...
 
Though not powered by big batteries, soaking up the amps, from the grid.

The grid, has been really struggling recently - little to no wind, little to no solar, so lots of gas is having to be burnt, to make up for it. Not very green at all.

Quite a bit greener than burning oil, still. Even if 100% of our electricity came from burning gas, it would still be a fair bit greener to use EVs than to burn oil in them.
 
they also know they will run out of the stuff
Right, at this point you've confirmed beyond any doubt that you're totally clueless.
Goodbye.
Quite a bit greener than burning oil, still. Even if 100% of our electricity came from burning gas, it would still be a fair bit greener to use EVs than to burn oil in them.
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But they're going to love it.

They'll be able to dredge up footage of the Hindenburg disaster to show how hydrogen cars are also like bombs.

Interesting though though. All these folk who are currently telling us that hydrogen is "the answer".... How many of them do you think actually believe it, and how many do you think are just saying it because it's a way of sitting in their ICEs and kicking the can down the road whilst appearing to still give a rat's ass about the planet?

My guess is that when (if) it comes, and they see what it costs, they're going to go off the idea pretty rapidly...;)

But it's a fascinating glimpse into their psyche though, don't you think?

"EVs are crap- there's no charging infrastructure"
when there are about 70,000 public EV chargers and only half a dozen or so hydrogen filling stations in the country.

"EVs are a fire hazard you'll burn to death"
and yet, there aren't any, as you say, hysterical "Hindenburg" posts

"EVs are unaffordable"
yet hydrogen cars like the Mirai are so cheap...:rolleyes:
 
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