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good try but its hardly relevant. It is a dividend payment, the payout depends on oil values not on need of the individual, nor is a set amount. It is not basic income.
That’s not a living wage by any means, and it arguably doesn’t satisfy the “basic” requirement of “universal basic income.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...basic-income-permanent-fund-oil-revenue-study
I stand by my point: there is nowhere basic income has actually been tried.
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You expect them to say "we have not the foggiest idea how many are shafting us?.".Same reason so many get off with other stuff,,,lack of resources.Seriously labour intensive to prove fraud.
Well I'm sure any asian is heartened by the fact that you think that if they are called a p*** when being beaten up, then they should be proud of that nomenclature
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Ah - you say any Asian.Well I'm sure any asian is heartened by the fact that you think that if they are called a p*** when being beaten up, then they should be proud of that nomenclature
So, is it that non-Pakistanis have been called it (because of the thickness of the racists) and they consider it offensive because they do not like Pakistanis either?
How difficult is it for someone to understand that p*** is often directed at all asians as a racist comment despite it originating from a hatred of those from pakistan?
I therefore (probably erroneously it seems) assumed that anybody should be able to understand that racists are by definition indeed thick as sh it
Hence why I also said: "Equally which country would you suggest someone subjected to the 'n word' comes from?"
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Prove it. £100 to charity. Either way ?
If it can be proved I'm Joe 90 ill give £100 to charity. If your prepared to do the same, if it is proved I'm not...
If your so confident we can up that figure to what you want...
How's that. ? Have we a deal?
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You are missing the point.
It is the name of their country.
Why is Afghani not offensive?
Answer that and you will see my point.
Lets try another example (although not quite the same as it is not a country).
As used to happen some yobs used to beat up homosexuals while, I believe, chanting "Queer, queer, queer". This word has been deemed offensive.
What if they now did it while chanting "Gay, gay, gay"? Does that word automatically become offensive an get banned?
Do you not see, it is not the word that is offensive but those using it?
You can call me anything you want; I will just think YOU are offensive; not the words you use.
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Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself.
Notch boyo you really are digging yourself deeper and deeper into this hole.
Now you are critiquing the level that the Alaska payment is set as. Who said UBI could not be changed on a yearly basis? So then how did you make your claim it's expensive. lol
I posted a definition of try and you still want to dig your heels in.
Is try one of your red lines?
It's ok to be wrong Notch. I won't hold it against you.
I'm not the one missing the point...
Others though do so it seems - either deliberately or through ignorance...
You yourself can take your own pick from the above
Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself.
Notch boyo you really are digging yourself deeper and deeper into this hole.
Now you are critiquing the level that the Alaska payment is set as. Who said UBI could not be changed on a yearly basis? So then how did you make your claim it's expensive. lol
I posted a definition of try and you still want to dig your heels in.
Is try one of your red lines?
It's ok to be wrong Notch. I won't hold it against you.
Ah bless Kankerot returning to form. You dont like being wrong do you.
Alaska payment is not universal income is it?
Your rebuttal based on payment levels is a blatant strawman........emphasising the lack of any argument you have.
Payments from oil revenue and tied to the markets are a dividend payment not universal income. Surely a form of universal income would need to be both related to need and stable in its level. What use would a universal income be to a person reliant on that to live on if its value was determined by oil revenue.
What about the amount, its seems to be in the region of $800 -$1500 pa. Or lets say under £100 per month. That amount isnt enough to be defined as a form universal income. It wouldnt be enough to support somebody not working, its closer in value to tax credits.
n a paper written for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation in 2015, Professor Donald Hirsch, director of the Centre for Research in Social Policy at Loughborough University, argued that implementation of the basic income in the UK would probably only be possible if there were “three seismic shifts in attitudes and policy”: an acceptance of the right to a guaranteed level of financial support from the state with no work-based conditions attached; an acceptance of substantially higher tax rates (“potentially 40% on all income, or at least 50% if means-tested housing support were to be abolished”); and perhaps also a reduced role for the state in ensuring support for the most vulnerable citizens.
For Hirsch, the two insurmountable problems are the lack of conditionality and the big increases in tax that would probably be needed to pay for the system. “It’s about peoples’ willingness to hand over a certain amount of money to people less well-off than themselves – or more well off than themselves,” he says. “If it’s politically impossible to put income tax up by 1p, then how will you be able to raise it by 8p, or 15p?
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/is-basic-income-a-good-idea.514701/page-2#ixzz5a4F0vxXg
Yup still expensive, old bean.
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