Is Basic income a good idea.

[EFLImpudence]

The same as the shortened name for Pakistan not being offensive??..

Please explain why it is.

I know it IS but seriously, why is the name of their country considered offensive.
I realise it was and is used by racists but it is still the name of their country - 'istan' merely meaning 'land'.
'Afghani' is the word for people from that place.

must admit though,,I find no offense in being called a Brit!

Exactly - and I do believe that some people are extremely proud to be a "Scot".

Words like 'Pom', 'Aussie', 'Taff' and 'Yank' are perfectly acceptable.

 

[JohnD]

And where are the figures that show it isn't expensive.

First things first. Where are your figures to support your initial made-up claim that it is very expensive?

Its very expensive.

Oh yes

you haven't got any.

you just plucked your claim out of thin air.

 

[ellal]

When I was in Australia

As Joe90?

 

[ellal]

Please explain why it is.

I know it IS but seriously, why is the name of their country considered offensive.

Simply because some terms used/accepted as derogative/racist are based on skin colour not merely the person's origin...

Equally which country would you suggest someone subjected to the 'n word' comes from?

And notchy didn't understand that the word he used was also based on that skin colour prejudice...

Maybe ask bodd/joe90 the truth of that, as he/they 'apparently' spent time over there

 

[HawkEye244]

What the fek does that even mean!..never mind implement it!Many so called working class could not push back against an open door,or spell tyranny.

Exactly , hence the problem !!!!

 

[JP_]

Not read much about it, but it certainly helps and is probably more affordable that people assume.
Some real life examples: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...-the-cities-trying-out-universal-basic-income - note, Canada does this already.

It's the same old problem. You, as in the state, either look after people, or leave them to suffer and die.
Yes, some people, a minority of claimers, maybe taking the ****. But we're talking about keeping people off the streets, away from crime, out of A&E wards etc.

We all pay regardless. So you need to decide, do you want to pay a bit more tax and have safer streets and more hospital beds, or pay less but have streets filled with people so desperate they consider a life of crime, and hospitals full of people who should have received help before taking up vital A&E resources.

Unfortunately, most people go through life with their head in the sands believing that these are not their problems, and those suffering just brought it upon themselves. Unfortunately, we won't all always be as lucky as we are today. Any one of us could get injured tomorrow, or suffer a heart attack, stroke, get cancer etc. and suddenly be unable to work. Welfare will suddenly seem like a much fairer deal. As would a living wage.

And finally, a quote:

"While UBI tends often to be associated with progressive politics, Finland’s trial was launched – at a cost of around €20m (£17.7m) – by a centre-right, austerity-focused government interested primarily in spending less on social security and bringing down Finland’s stubborn 8%-plus unemployment rate. It has a very clear purpose: to see whether an unconditional income might incentivise people to take up paid work." https://www.theguardian.com/inequal...versal-basic-income-trial-too-good-to-be-true

Not exactly communism.

The current system controls wealth so that the richest people control tax laws and stay rich, while the poorest remain in poverty. Many people believe that there are better systems out there, and disagreeing with the current system doesn't make you a communist.

 

[SirGalahad]

Please explain why it is.

I know it IS but seriously, why is the name of their country considered offensive.
I realise it was and is used by racists but it is still the name of their country - 'istan' merely meaning 'land'.
'Afghani' is the word for people from that place.


Exactly - and I do believe that some people are extremely proud to be a "Scot".

Words like 'Pom', 'Aussie', 'Taff' and 'Yank' are perfectly acceptable.

Are they used in a pejorative sense? Simply looking at the meaning is not looking at how its used.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Simply because some terms used/accepted as derogative/racist are based on skin colour not merely the person's origin...

...but it IS the name of their country. Do they think their country's name is offensive?

Equally which country would you suggest someone subjected to the 'n word' comes from?

It comes from the mispronunciation by the US southern states of the French word 'negre' which is the French word for people from the part of Africa whence they were abducted.
How do you pronounce the country 'Niger'? The French way, I have no doubt. Do you think they should be forced to change the name of it?
I presume you are aware of the Portuguese and Spanish word for black so this must be commonly used in the US by the 50M Spanish speakers. There seems to be no attempt to ban them - there or anywhere else.

'Boy' was also used as a derogatory term - from the old usage of the word meaning servant - yet, for some reason we have not banned the word 'boy'.

And notchy didn't understand that the word he used was also based on that skin colour prejudice...

...but that too is merely an abbreviation of a perfectly acceptable word.

Maybe ask bodd/joe90 the truth of that, as he/they 'apparently' spent time over there

I don't need to ask Bodd.
I am just stating that it is illogical to ban words simply because racists have used them; they must use other words as well; should they all be banned?

As above, if it were the case that people shouted "Scot, Scot, Scot" while beating up Scottish people, I am sure the victims would not deem that to be the offensive part of the experience and they would still be proud of the name.

 

[durhamplumber]

...but it IS the name of their country. Do they think their country's name is offensive?


It comes from the mispronunciation by the US southern states of the French word 'negre' which is the French word for people from the part of Africa whence they were abducted.
How do you pronounce the country 'Niger'? The French way, I have no doubt. Do you think they should be forced to change the name of it?
I presume you are aware of the Portuguese and Spanish word for black so this must be commonly used in the US by the 50M Spanish speakers. There seems to be no attempt to ban them - there or anywhere else.

'Boy' was also used as a derogatory term - from the old usage of the word meaning servant - yet, for some reason we have not banned the word 'boy'.


...but that too is merely an abbreviation of a perfectly acceptable word.


I don't need to ask Bodd.
I am just stating that it is illogical to ban words simply because racists have used them; they must use other words as well; should they all be banned?

As above, if it were the case that people shouted "Scot, Scot, Scot" while beating up Scottish people, I am sure the victims would not deem that to be the offensive part of the experience and they would still be proud of the name.

Agreed,it does all end utterly silly.

 

[SirGalahad]

...but it IS the name of their country. Do they think their country's name is offensive?


It comes from the mispronunciation by the US southern states of the French word 'negre' which is the French word for people from the part of Africa whence they were abducted.
How do you pronounce the country 'Niger'? The French way, I have no doubt. Do you think they should be forced to change the name of it?
I presume you are aware of the Portuguese and Spanish word for black so this must be commonly used in the US by the 50M Spanish speakers. There seems to be no attempt to ban them - there or anywhere else.

'Boy' was also used as a derogatory term - from the old usage of the word meaning servant - yet, for some reason we have not banned the word 'boy'.


...but that too is merely an abbreviation of a perfectly acceptable word.


I don't need to ask Bodd.
I am just stating that it is illogical to ban words simply because racists have used them; they must use other words as well; should they all be banned?

As above, if it were the case that people shouted "Scot, Scot, Scot" while beating up Scottish people, I am sure the victims would not deem that to be the offensive part of the experience and they would still be proud of the name.

lol

 

[durhamplumber]

Yes, some people, a minority of claimers, maybe taking the ****. But we're talking about keeping people off the streets, away from crime, out of A&E wards etc.

.
"Maybe" a "minority," takin the mickey...You are living in fluffy bunny lala land.

 

[JP_]

Sounds like you have some facts to share?

According to DWP fraud accounts for £1.10 in every £100.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ror-stats-release-2015-16-final-estimates.pdf

That means about 99% of the people receiving it need it.

 

[durhamplumber]

Sounds like you have some facts to share?

According to DWP fraud accounts for £1.10 in every £100.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ror-stats-release-2015-16-final-estimates.pdf

That means about 99% of the people receiving it need it.

You do not believe that tosh do you,, they have no idea how much fraud goes on.

 

[durhamplumber]

Sounds like you have some facts to share?

According to DWP fraud accounts for £1.10 in every £100.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ror-stats-release-2015-16-final-estimates.pdf

That means about 99% of the people receiving it need it.

99% of people are legit...yeah right,,and im the next pope.

 

[SirGalahad]

So DH dismisses an argument that provides evidence by providing no evidence himself.

Genius.