Is there a god?

[joe-90]

says the man thanked 12 times in 9 years.

 

[ellal]

Says the idiot who thinks getting w*nked is that important...

 

[joe-90]

I contribute to this site by helping the punters. Without people like me this site wouldn't exist. It could quite happily exist without idiots like you.

 

[ellal]

I contribute to this site by helping the punters. Without people like me this site wouldn't exist. It could quite happily exist without idiots like you.

Ah, you've adopted the 'god complex'....

pmsl

 

[Mikefromlondon]

So, God didn't like JFK, then or was it he liked LHO more and JR even more.? Is God Russian or Italian?

That was not my point, just shows you how you could take things differently, or unable to perceive things as I see.

Or even 'avoid trouble'. Not a lot of good, then.

My point here was that we should avoid being in trouble in the first place, and not rely on someone to help us afterwards.

Doesn't work, then.

No, even as a person with faith, I do not expect it to always work, quite frankly I did not go out of my way to ask God to heal my friend, to go out of my way would mean sacrifice my whole time and devote it in prayers for my friend, I just ushered some words like Please God help my friend, and I didn't really expect they would work, so I am not dissapointed at all that my less than half prayer would work that I did not even leave what i was doing when I said that!

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I'm sorry about your friend but sometimes the human body goes wrong. Bad design by the creator, I suppose.

May be, but there could be other causes like asbestosis, my friend used to work on building sites where asbestos was quite common.

You don't but may as well not bother, then when things go well you will think God is still looking after you anyway and when they go badly you can blame the fact that you're not praying.
A sort of reverse faith.

yes indeed, unless you ask for forgiveness or mercy, you are not likely to get any

It was a dream. It was your mind, not your friend.
I once dreamt I had overslept and woke up early.
I think it was God's way of telling me I was still in bed.

Yes it is funny, I don't usually dream much, but when i lost my mother, I had a very similar dream, where my mother came back and I am saying to her how come you are so much alive and yet we saw you dead and buried you, and she replied nope I am still very alive and I then asked her if I could touch her and feel her, and when i did, it felt so real, and in both cases the person I saw in my dreams was not what they looked in their real life, but rather so beautiful, I am unable to describe, yet they were who they were in real life, I don't think i can explain this any better, it is like mum looked like she was made out of wax, so beautiful, that in her real life she never looked that beautiful, so how di my brain create that image?

It's really quite worrying.

Indeed, because none of us can understand the things about ourselves and the universe, in depth that is.

 

[joe-90]

I contribute to this site by helping the punters. Without people like me this site wouldn't exist. It could quite happily exist without idiots like you.

Ah, you've adopted the 'god complex'....

pmsl

You are a Nazi. pmsl. (Thanks Godwin).

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Why don't you all argue the toss with Einstein?


"Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.[19]"

Einstein is is one of the most misquoted people in history. He was for pretty much athiest in reality.
Here are images and translations of an actual letter he wrote late in his life:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_...-letter-handwritten-shortly-before-his-death#

I should also point out that Newton was into alchemy, so if a great physicist believed something outside their scientific endeavour, it does not mean it is true.

Duel beliefs which seem at odds with each other are nothing new. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and RAF Fighter Commander during the Battle of Britain Lord Dowding both believed in fairies.
http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/4/22/away-with-the-fairies#[/QUOTE]

As for Albert Einsteins's letter, they were his personal views only, even the likes of him could not have proven the existence of God because people like him think that they are so much gifted that they have cracked the puzzle! But unfortunately he was wrong, so much so that to date no one has been able to prove the unified theory that he predicted, that is because it is not within the grasps of any of us, hence why it would be impossible to prove God's Existence, that unified theory is related to God, so if you remove God from it, you will never solve it.

All matter and everything came from one single source so all are related to that one source - God. you name it, electromagnetic waves, radiation, gravity, space time, the lot! and much more that we don't yet know!

 

[ellal]

Hey Joe...

Here's a bit of advice for you to follow...

"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"....

 

[wobs]

A question for Wobs.

If the universe came into being in an instant - then why did it not do so an infinite time ago? Why are we here NOW?

If it happened an infinite amount of time ago (in the sense that you understand), it would always have existed.

The universe is about 13.7billion years old (give or take), by current knowldedge. Your knowledge is clearly lacking in this.

What or who caused the singularity to inflate into our universe? And why?

Irrelevant questions

Where did the singularity come from? What was outside of this singularity?

You assume there was a space beyond the singularity, and that time existed beyond it. Both are assumptions you cannot make.

Considering that human science doesn't even know how paracetamol works - I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

More irrelevance.

 

[breadnbutter]

And crude oil!

Carbon dating is unreliable.
Peat and organic matter can decay rapidly,all it needs, is heat. grass don't take long to turn in to compost, and you can see it generates its own heat.

The earth population is estimated 5 million in 5000 bc,and is now 7000 thousand million 2013 ad. so if man was around for millions of years, are population would be trillions of trillions.

God created man from the dust of the earth, then God breathed into him the breath of life.

 

[Porque223]

This thread can also blend into
http://www.amazon.com/Belief-Just-World-Fundamental-Delusion/dp/0306404958

 

[breadnbutter]

This thread can also blend into
http://www.amazon.com/Belief-Just-World-Fundamental-Delusion/dp/0306404958[/QUOTE]

have you read the book.

 

[joe-90]

Hey Joe...

Here's a bit of advice for you to follow...

"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"....

At least have an original thought.

 

[joe-90]

A question for Wobs.

If the universe came into being in an instant - then why did it not do so an infinite time ago? Why are we here NOW?

If it happened an infinite amount of time ago (in the sense that you understand), it would always have existed.

The universe is about 13.7billion years old (give or take), by current knowldedge. Your knowledge is clearly lacking in this.

What or who caused the singularity to inflate into our universe? And why?

Irrelevant questions

Where did the singularity come from? What was outside of this singularity?

You assume there was a space beyond the singularity, and that time existed beyond it. Both are assumptions you cannot make.

Considering that human science doesn't even know how paracetamol works - I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

More irrelevance.

Just say you don't have a clue mate - at least be honest. Did you read what Albert wrote about the library? Tell me which bit you don't understand and I'll help you out.

 

[ellal]

At least have an original thought

Better than being thoughtless...