Some years ago I knew a roofer who spent most of his holidays scuba diving. His all time favourite holiday destination was Beirut, he used to go there in the 60's. Reckoned it was like the Riviera.
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Some years ago I knew a roofer who spent most of his holidays scuba diving. His all time favourite holiday destination was Beirut, he used to go there in the 60's. Reckoned it was like the Riviera.
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It was. Beirut in the 60s was like an episode from Whicker's World: glamorous, stylish, sophisticated and so very cooool.
Bloody Commies came along and nixed the whole party with that Marxist tosh.
It is said that hamas have in excess of 35000 well armed fighters in Gaza
Massive weapons cache hidden under ground
Hundreds of miles of under ground tunnels
A handull of fanatical fighters well dug in can reek havoc on the Israeli ground troops
Close quarter combat will be a reality
The Americans pounded that Japanese island for weeks in ww2 imogima ??
And than sufferd thousands of casualties in the ground battle
Plus there were no civilians there afaik ??
I see you're believing the lies of Notch and fillyboy. Is that because you failed to find a genuine Hamas website, if such a thing exists?
I see also that having failed to find a genuine Hamas website, you accept the Israeli/US version of their charter.
The Zionists and right-wingers in Israel want the total annihilation of Palestinians and Palestine.
So back to square one.
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It was. Beirut in the 60s was like an episode from Whicker's World: glamorous, stylish, sophisticated and so very cooool.
Bloody Commies came along and nixed the whole party with that Marxist tosh.
I often wonder what happened to Norman?
“They didn’t leave us air to breathe,” said Zawahri, 52, describing a months-long campaign of violence and intimidation that intensified in the last two weeks. First villagers were barred from grazing lands, and the spring, then violence reached their homes.
Over the last year alone, 110,000 dunams, or 110 sq km (42 sq miles), was effectively annexed by settlers on herding outposts, he said. All the built-up settlement areas constructed since 1967 cover only 80 sq km.
“This has been the most successful land-grab strategy since 1967,” said Yehuda Shaul, a prominent activist who is director of the Israeli Center for Public Affairs thinktank, and a founder of Breaking the Silence, an NGO that exposes military abuses in occupied areas.
This is why they fight
Over the last year alone, 110,000 dunams, or 110 sq km (42 sq miles), was effectively annexed by settlers on herding outposts, he said. All the built-up settlement areas constructed since 1967 cover only 80 sq km.
“This has been the most successful land-grab strategy since 1967,” said Yehuda Shaul, a prominent activist who is director of the Israeli Center for Public Affairs thinktank, and a founder of Breaking the Silence, an NGO that exposes military abuses in occupied areas.
This is why they fight
The only charter that you can access is the Israeli/US version.
And even that charter does not call for the destruction of Israelis. It calls for the dismantling of the Israel state.
I don't suppose you can discern the difference.
So instead you present misinformation.
Where is that information about which vpn you are using, and which server you're logging onto?
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No it isn't. You are going round in circles.
Was it a fake Hamas press conference?
I have shown you various sites with the charter, there are even research journals that discuss it. They are all the same version.
You claim it isn't the correct one but don't know what the "real" one actually says. I have given you the Hamas link to the specific page, I don't believe you can't access it.
I don't know. What press conference are you referring to?
Because there is only one version available to the West, the Israeli/US version.
All those various sites that you presenbted were really US sites purporting to be Hamas sites.
List them and again, and I'll take the trouble (again) to show how they are US sites.
We can't know what the genuine one says becasue we can't access it.
If yolu claim you can access a genuine Hamas web site, post the link, along with the vpn that you are using and the server that you log onto.
We can then recreate the settings that you say you are using. I have asked for this several times now, and you keep avoiding doing so.
It isn't that difficult, and it doesn't divulge any personal details. There are millions of people using vpns these days.
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The one where one of the Hamas leaders launches the charter and reads from it. And spookily enough it is the same document I have linked to.
There are translated ones which you will just call fake, therefore the original is here.
A Newer Hamas? The Revised Charter
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But you have claimed the internet can be faked. What's the point?
How do you know it isn't you who is wrong? How do you know the scenes being reported are actually happening? How do you know that the industrial estate discussed earlier even exists? Have you been there yourself?
To just call everything you don't like as fake is pretty poor. I have shown you overwhelming evidence that the Hamas 2017 charter is real. But you just claim it to be a US/Israeli conspiracy.
Russians annexed the crimea and no one did any thing
The mad mullers have annexed a chunk of the Lebanon
You speak Arabic?
That refers to a version by a moderate Muslim, born in Israel
Bethlehem is in Israel.
It is a translation along his interpretation of the charter. He is not a representative of Hamas, and has his own agenda.
Even so, his version discusses that Hamas will recognise the 1967 borders for a two state solution. So any claim that Hamas seeks the total destruction of Israelis or Israel is factually incorrect.
That is a version spread by Israel and US. It is clear that Israel is now refusing to accept that agreement.
Khaled Hroub links to the original
Which can't be accessed.
So the link is a dead link.
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1 For the entire text of the document, see the official English translation on Hamas’s website: “A Document of General Principles and Policies,” Islamic Resistance Movement: Hamas, 1 May 2017, http://hamas.ps/en/post/678.
This si the result of trying to access it.
You are going round in circles, presenting the same nonsense over and over again.
You claim that the site can be accessed by using a vpn, and you have claimed that you have accessed by that means.
I ask you (yet again) what vpn are you using, and what server are you logging on to?
You keep refusing to answer.
The point is that the internet is awash with misinformation. Only by a bit of research can we verify the integrity of any website.
There is another point, you keep claimim to have accessed a Hamas website, bu tyou keep refusing to provide the necessary information for anyone to recreate your supposed access.
Because there are multiple versions of reporting from all nations, all outlets of all political and religious persuasions.
Amd please don't make the same argument for all those versions of the charter that you have presented, They are all, except a couple, that are available on Israeli/US websites.
Of the two that are not, one is London based (MEE), and the other is a translation by a Bethlehem born, moderate Muslim in Qatar and UK (Cambridge), who will have his own agenda.
I am happy to accept a genuine Hamas website, which you repeatedly fail to produce.
All of your versions of the charter are suspect. They are not genuine. The majority of them being Israeli/US versions. I've dealt with the two exceptions above.
Where is that vpn information that you claim to have used?
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Did you look for the translated one? I know, the translator is probably American therefore it is fake.
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