Israel under attack

[denso13]

That refers to a version by a moderate Muslim, born in Israel

So what? Like I said, if you just claim fake to everything then I can't help you.

I believe you are a Hamas stooge. Prove me wrong.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Did you look for the translated one? I know, the translator is probably American therefore it is fake.

I have dealt with that already.
Further evidence that you don't read my comments.
Do you even read any of it? Or do you just rattle off a response? Clearly your response do not address any of the points I make.
I'll reproduce the relevant bit for you:

That refers to a version by a moderate Muslim, born in Israel

It is a translation along his interpretation of the charter. He is not a representative of Hamas, and has his own agenda.
Even so, his version discusses that Hamas will recognise the 1967 borders for a two state solution. So any claim that Hamas seeks the total destruction of Israelis or Israel is factually incorrect.
That is a version spread by Israel and US. It is clear that Israel is now refusing to accept that agreement.

Khaled Hroub links to the original
Which can't be accessed.
So the link is a dead link.

ENDNOTES

1 For the entire text of the document, see the official English translation on Hamas’s website: “A Document of General Principles and Policies,” Islamic Resistance Movement: Hamas, 1 May 2017, http://hamas.ps/en/post/678.
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This si the result of trying to access it.

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You are going round in circles, presenting the same nonsense over and over again.

You claim that the site can be accessed by using a vpn, and you have claimed that you have accessed by that means.

I ask you (yet again) what vpn are you using, and what server are you logging on to?
You keep refusing to answer.

 

[Roy Bloom]

So what? Like I said, if you just claim fake to everything then I can't help you.

Probably because most of what you do post is not genuine.

I believe you are a Hamas stooge. Prove me wrong.

You asking me to prove a negative?
How pathetic.
You've been learning from those lying posters fillyboy and Notch.

 

[Notch7]

Any evidence of that?

Israel has been keeping 6,000 Pal;estinians hostage? That was one of the reasons for Hamas taking hostages, to negoatiate the release of the Palestinian hostages.
Israel had tightened its control over Gaza since 2007.

Why Rafah crossing is vital for supplying aid amid Israeli bombing of Gaza

Egypt has said Palestinians need to remain on their own land – but it is trying to facilitate humanitarian aid.

www.aljazeera.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/15/middleeast/gaza-history-explained-intl/index.html

it looks like you throw in any old comment, without thinking, wihout evidence, in order to minimise the oppression of Palestiniains by Israel.

Tim Marshall said on Tom Swawbrick yesterday

 

[Roy Bloom]

Any evidence of that?

Israel had been keeping its borders virtually closed from Gaza, but they had started to open up and begin to trust somewhat……that didnt go well at all.

Tim Marshall said on Tom Swawbrick yesterday

Any link to said supposed evidence?

I note you renege on your agreements.
You said you would tell us who you voted for in the 2019 election.
You reneged on your agreement, and to save you embarrasment, the thread has been locked.

 

[Odds]

Russians annexed the crimea and no one did any thing

The mad mullers have annexed a chunk of the Lebanon

Several countries imposed sanctions on Russia when they annexed Crimea.

 

[transam]

Several countries imposed sanctions on Russia when they annexed Crimea.

Yeah that’s right sanctions ??

China annexed tibet in the 1950s ??

 

[Notch7]

Any link to said supposed evidence?

I note you renege on your agreements.
You said you would tell us who you voted for in the 2019 election.
You reneged on your agreement, and to save you embarrasment, the thread has been locked.

I've given you the link Tim Marshall on Tom Swawbrick yesterday- it's available on catch up

By the way Tim Marshall is an expert on international affairs, so he knows his stuff....unlike you.

 

[Vinty]

Yes, and it has resulted in some Palestinians being killed., trying to farm their land.

Now the attacks on Palestinians, by Israelis in the West Banlk has increased from an average of three a day to eight a day.
These are attacks resulting in many Palestinians deaths, and families being turfed out of their homes. The attacks are supported by the Israeli army.

In life, there are winners and losers.
What a lot of of people don't realise, isthat, while they identity with the Israelis, they in fact have more in common with the Palestinians in socio economic terms.

 

[denso13]

I have dealt with that already.

No you haven't.

There are translated ones which you will just call fake, therefore the original is here.

I said there are translated YouTube videos of the press conference. Concentrate.

 

[denso13]

Probably because most of what you do post is not genuine.

And you can't post the "genuine" charter. You have no idea if it exists or what is says.

 

[securespark]

In fairness they were invaded two weeks ago and experienced a horrific massacre. If Hamas aren't taken out, it will happen again, and again.

Both sides could argue that killing the other is the only solution, but it isn't.

There needs to be talks towards peace.

Edited: the rest of my post deleted.

 

[denso13]

Because there are multiple versions of reporting from all nations, all outlets of all political and religious persuasions.

Only one charter reported, exactly the same one.

Do you have links to different versions?

 

[denso13]

There needs to be talks towards peace

It's the only way to resolve it. But Hamas don't even recognise Israel in the first place. Unless views genuinely change there will be no end to this.

 

[fillyboy]

Only one charter reported, exactly the same one.

Do you have links to different versions?