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[Deleted member 294929]

No mention of Wetherspoons though.

No mention on how very dangerous they are to aircraft.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Edit: I thought you said Weather balloons

 

[Vinty]

Adolf Hitler and his apprentice dictator.

 

[ellal]

But afaik all meat served in schools is now halal slaughtered ir kosher a practice that is probably not widely known

As far as you know?

How come you can't show us the proof of your claim?

Afaik you are making this up to suit your own agenda...

Prove me wrong

 

[fillyboy]

 

[Justin Passing]

Time Netty eased off the general destruction, I reckon. Hamas and the , er Gazans? - have got the message. Does Israel have the numbers to use infantry (& tanks etc) to go from one end of the strip to the other finding and destroying the tunnels? ( How do you deal with 300 miles of tunnels - Expanding foam? )
Is Hamas really a secret organisation or does the populus really all know where they operate from?

I have doubts it would work; unless the Israelis kill everyone, Hamas will survive. Doing that would bring in other combatants.

 

[fillyboy]

Is Hamas really a secret organisation or does the populus really all know where they operate from?

I have doubts it would work; unless the Israelis kill everyone, Hamas will survive. Doing that would bring in other combatants.

The populous obviously do know but really are powerless. In a poll this year 70% of Gazans want control handed over to a Palestinian Authority away from Hamas.
An election is unlikely, Hamas are so deeply routed that as you say, unless you kill everyone, Hamas will survive.
Without any signs of a ceasefire Israel will eventually lose public and International support.
It's messy, very messy.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Hamas and the , er Gazans? - have got the message.

Hamas are not the military wing. They're the political side. Like Sinn Fein and IRA. Sinn Fein present the political argument of the IRA, Hamas present the political argument of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.

The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades is the military wing of the Palestinian organization Hamas, operating in the Gaza Strip.

Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[denso13]

Adolf Hitler and his apprentice dictator.

Wrong side. Hitler and his Hamas bedfellows want(ed) the total destruction of the Jewish people. There is nothing more racist than that.

Was listening to clips of Christopher Hitchens last night and he made the following observation.

If Hamas laid down their weapons there would be a basis for a long term settlement. If Israel laid down their weapons then Hamas would move in and kill all Jews, as per their stated God backed aim. Hardly equal outcomes.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The populous obviously do know but really are powerless. In a poll this year 70% of Gazans want control handed over to a Palestinian Authority away from Hamas.
An election is unlikely, Hamas are so deeply routed that as you say, unless you kill everyone, Hamas will survive.
Without any signs of a ceasefire Israel will eventually lose public and International support.
It's messy, very messy.

A Poll commissioned by USA, about a designated terrorist organisation should have credibility?
USA has designated Hamas as a terrorist oprganisation. It's hardly likely to publish a report showing support for Hamas.

I can immediately see another rpblem with the methodology:
"At least 500" people were interviewed in each of Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem.
Jerusalem has less than 400,000 Palestinians, compared to 3,000,000 in the West Bank and 2,000,000 in Gaza. So the opinion of those living in Jersalem has been given extra weigth. That could have been 500 in Gaza and the West Bank, and 1,000 in Jerusalem.
The poll should have been weighted by popul;ation, at least.
The same can be said about the opinions of other Arab countries, it should have been weighted by population.
This alone illustrates the amateurishness of the pollsters.

Then there's the validity of a face to face interview compared to a secret ballot, especially in such a toxic political scene.
Then there's the methodology of how the interviewees were selected to interview, by age, gender, etc.

The Poll was commissioned by employees of the The Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
This was in one of its reports:

Hamas is not just some political party with a “military wing,” for whom control of Gaza is a great achievement. It came to power through a violent coup and is motivated by a warped jihadist ideology that it has imposed on the people of Gaza, who should not themselves be equated with Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization committed to the destruction of the Jewish state.

Hamas Attacks: A Turning Point for U.S. Policy A Statement of Washington Institute Experts

The October 7 terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israel represent a turning point that should bring home oft-overlooked realities about the Middle East and compel U.S. policymakers to rethink preconceptions about the region and America's role and interests in it.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

The Washington Institute has no credibility as a non-partisan reporter.

 

[Odds]

Was listening to clips of Christopher Hitchens last night and he made the following observation.

If Hamas laid down their weapons there would be a basis for a long term settlement. If Israel laid down their weapons then Hamas would move in and kill all Jews, as per their stated God backed aim. Hardly equal outcomes.

Not necessarily.
The first thing they did upon creating the state of Israel was to move Palestinian people out.
There's no guarantee of a fair settlement if Hamas did surrender.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Wrong side. Hitler and his Hamas bedfellows want(ed) the total destruction of the Jewish people. There is nothing more racist than that.

Israel, by its policies and actions want the whole of the Levant. There is nothing more racist than that.

In 1896, Theodor Herzl expressed ..."Let them give us sovereignty over a piece of the Earth's surface, just sufficient for the needs of our people, then we will do the rest!" he proclaimed exposing his plan.

Jabotinsky wrote that Jewish national integrity relies on “racial purity", whereas Nordau asserted the need for an "exact anthropological, biological, economic, and intellectual statistic of the Jewish people"

According to Elaine Hagopian, in the early decades it foresaw the homeland of the Jews as extending not only over the region of Palestine, but into Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, with its borders more or less coinciding with the major riverine and water-rich areas of the Levant.

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[denso13]

There's no guarantee of a fair settlement if Hamas did surrender.

No guarantee no, but I would hope that pressure would come even from the US and UK, and others, if that were the case.. It is too easy for Israel to claim they are fighting terrorism and a group who want to eradicate them. Israel don't have a stated aim of eradicating Palestinians. There is a huge difference.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Israel don't have a stated aim of eradicating Palestinians. There is a huge difference.

See the above post.

 

[Brigadier]

Not necessarily.
The first thing they did upon creating the state of Israel was to move Palestinian people out.
There's no guarantee of a fair settlement if Hamas did surrender.

The way I see it, they could just live side-by-side, in whatever you wanted to call the place.
Most plebs on either side probably would do too.
Trouble is, the ruling classes wouldn't want that.
And, as is inevitable with human beings, someone will get robbed / burgled / stabbed / shot.
And, the ruling classes will use it as a rallying cry, to kick off on "the other lot".