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No guarantee no, but I would hope that pressure would come even from the US and UK, and others, if that were the case.. It is too easy for Israel to claim they are fighting terrorism and a group who want to eradicate them. Israel don't have a stated aim of eradicating Palestinians. There is a huge difference.
The UK and US has shown little influence over Israel's response to the October 7th attacks, and Netanyahu has said 'it'll be a long and difficult war' - suggesting he's going to continue with these assaults while his political survival is at stake. He already tried to pass the buck for the attacks on the Defence Minister, Gantz, but had to delete the tweet after complaints from his supporters.
What happens after the dust settles is uncertain but Netanyahu will have to accept much of the blame and take the consequences.
Why do you think Palestinians refused to leave the Gaza strip into Egypt 'for their own safety' - because they knew the Israeli's wouldn't let them back and likely would annex the territory, claiming it to be the only way to stop Hamas inflicting further loss of Jewish life.
 
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Why do you think Palestinians refused to leave the Gaza strip into Egypt 'for their own safety'
Let's face it, there was nowhere to go.
The UK and US has shown little influence over Israel's response to the October 7th attacks
Yes, again I think it is too easy for Israel to take the high ground. Their spokesman said it again on R4 this morning, " Hamas want the destruction of the Jews and we have put up with it long enough" (or words to that effect).
 
If Hamas laid down their weapons there would be a basis for a long term settlement.
Rubbish...

When Yasser Arafat rejected violence and negotiated with Israel, nothing actually happened as regards the Palestinian state!

Israel don't have a stated aim of eradicating Palestinians.

They do however have an aim of gradually pushing Palestinians out of their land and killing them...

The illegal west bank 'settlements' and murders by 'settlers' which go unpunished for example...

And the control they hold over Gaza which is essentially an open prison...

Is a gradual flouting of international law ok?
 
The United Nations has warned that there was “clear evidence” that war crimes may have been committed in “the explosion of violence in Israel and Gaza”. Meanwhile, Wall Street is hoping for an explosion in profits.

During third-quarter earnings calls this month, analysts from Morgan Stanley and TD Bank took note of this potential profit-making escalation in conflict and asked unusually blunt questions about the financial benefit of the war between Israel and Hamas.

Joe Biden has asked Congress for $106bn in military and humanitarian aid for Israel and Ukraine and humanitarian assistance for Gaza. The money could be a boon to the aerospace and weapons sector which enjoyed a 7-percentage point jump in value in the immediate aftermath of Hamas’s 7 October attack on Israel and the beginning of Israel’s bombardment of Gaza in response.

“Hamas has created additional demand, we have this $106bn request from the president,” said von Rumohr, during General Dynamics’ earnings call on 25 October. “Can you give us some general color in terms of areas where you think you could see incremental acceleration in demand?”

“You know, the Israel situation obviously is a terrible one, frankly, and one that’s just evolving as we speak,” responded Jason Aiken, the company’s executive vice president of technologies and chief financial officer. “But I think if you look at the incremental demand potential coming out of that, the biggest one to highlight and that really sticks out is probably on the artillery side.”

That next day, von Rumohr assigned a “buy” rating to General Dynamics’ stock.

The comments are seemingly in contradiction of each company’s “statement on human rights” and explicit endorsements of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights.

Eli Clifton@the Guardian.com
 
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They do however have an aim of gradually pushing Palestinians out of their land and killing them...
Where have they said their aim is to eradicate Palestinians?
Yasser Arafat rejected violence
"Nine years later it is possible to draw the conclusion that Arafat failed the test. He did not live up to the solemn commitment he made to Yitzhak Rabin in that letter dated September 9, 1993. He did not renounce the practice of terrorism and other acts of violence. He did not assume responsibility over all PLO elements to ensure their compliance with that commitment. And he did not prevent violations and discipline violators."


Hamas have a stated aim of eradicating Jews. Until that changes, nothing else will.
 
Where have they said their aim is to eradicate Palestinians?
Don't swerve answering what I said...

"They do however have an aim of gradually pushing Palestinians out of their land and killing them*

"The illegal west bank 'settlements' and murders by 'settlers' which go unpunished for example"

*I should have added 'when considered 'necessary'...

Do you condemn the illegal land grabs and the way they have controlled Gaza?
 
Where have they said their aim is to eradicate Palestinians?

Hamas have a stated aim of eradicating Jews. Until that changes, nothing else will.
They don't need to state their aim when their policies and actions are clear evidence of their intention.
A human rights forum arranged in connection with the conference, on the other hand, did equate Zionism with racism and censured Israel for what it called "racist crimes, including acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing"
In 1975 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 3379, which said "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination". According to the resolution, "any doctrine of racial differentiation of superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust, and dangerous." The resolution named the occupied territory of Palestine, Zimbabwe, and South Africa as examples of racist regimes.

Mahatma Gandhi "It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs ... Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home ... They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab heart"
 
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Don't swerve answering what I said...

"They do however have an aim of gradually pushing Palestinians out of their land and killing them*
In your opinion. Hamas have written aims. That is a wholly different order of racism.
Do you condemn the illegal land grabs and the way they have controlled Gaza?
Yes.

Do you condemn the illegal actions of Palestinians/Hamas?
 
In your opinion. Hamas have written aims. That is a wholly different order of racism.

Yes.

Do you condemn the illegal actions of Palestinians/Hamas?
Do I condemn the illegal actions?

Absolutely...

Do I condemn Palestinians as a whole?

No...

Do you condemn the illegal actions of Israelis/State of Israel as a whole?

Or do you like me make a distinction between those who commit illegal acts, and the majority on both sides who want to simply live in peace?
 
Or do you like me make a distinction between those who commit illegal acts, and the majority on both sides who want to simply live in peace?
I'd like to think everyone does. However, Hamas are unique in wanting the destruction of another race. Until that changes, nothing will.
 
Why are you even bringing this subject to a DIY forum? Go take it to a political one if you want to flex your pecs.
 
I'd like to think everyone does. However, Hamas are unique in wanting the destruction of another race. Until that changes, nothing will.
They have only been around since the first intifada in 1987...

Why do you think Hamas came about?
 
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