It’s all your fault if you are a man

Im not sure what you're lol'ling at or you on the nitrous oxide again, and have you got any spare for me?

However you're right it seems we must be far more sensitive about those aforementioned groups, but men in general had it too easy too long and are fair game and should take it on the chin?

Or you being ironic?

Is that what you're saying?
I think it was more sarcastic than ironic.
 
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Was this thread something about attacks on women by men?

here's one. Obviously not a problem to be taken seriously.

"A takeaway worker who forced himself on a young woman in a late night attack has walked free from court after complaining he would lose his job if he was sent to prison."

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/north-west-man-avoids-prison-20164977

Maybe some other countries take violence against women more seriously.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/four-men-who-gang-raped-23733167
 
Sounds a bit racist.
Not necessarily. He could have been referring to the malignant intent of this mysterious force.
But he never explained. Maybe because he started blaming the secret police.
He might have been joking or lying. I'm not sure which.
 
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you can't expect people to take an interest in addressing male misbehaviour, if they don't feel like it.

"Georgina, who was walking her dog at the time, immediately sought the help of nearby Metropolitan Police officers, and says a woman officer attempted to help but was silenced by a male officer who said: "No, we've had enough tonight with the rioters.""


https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/woman-sexually-harassed-sarah-everard-23734164
If the above is true, then the policeman in question should be sacked.
The alleged killer of Sarah Everard had exposed himself at a takeaway a few days before he commited murder.

With this in mind it is unbelievable that a police officer would iqnore a report of indecent exposure.
 
I'm just wondering why one has to be 'left wing' in order to be concerned about human rights...

Now I happen to think that the HRA is a good thing, however the way that it is interpreted is sometimes wrong...

There is a bill going through parliament as we speak which will severely restrict the right to protest...

Do you think all those protesting against that bill are 'left wing'?

Because if one believes that to be the case, by default the 'right wing' care not about democratic rights (amongst other things)...

And as history shows, we all know where that eventually leads!
You don't have to be left wing to be concerned about human rights, but i think that generally left wing people are more distrustful of how human rights might be abused.

The HRA act is a good example. Right wing people tend to think its not necessary because good government will largely follow those principles anyway and its being stretched to protect people who don't deserve protection. Left wing people are more concerned that rights and strong protections of those rights are enshrined in law and will fight to protect those rights, even when they are stretched in a direction they weren't intended to be.

For clarity, by left wing and right wing i am talking about moderates, not the extreme at either end of the scale.

Right wing people do care about democratic rights, but get annoyed when people abuse those rights. I agree that the right to protest should be sacrosanct, but i don't believe the right to protest should override the current covid rules and i don't believe the right to protest should allow protestors to disturb other peoples lives in a major way. Eg in non covid times a big march that temporally shuts down some roads and areas of london is fine. A XD style protest that attempts to directly disrupt other people's lives in a major way for a significant period of time is wrong.

There are other ways to protest and get your message across that don't break covid rules or cause the same deliberate disruption to peoples lives.
 
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The police are now talking about putting undercover officers in pubs and nightclubs (some time in the distant future when they re-open, obviouisly) to protect women from men allegedly harassing them. The same police that have huge numbers to harass ordinary members of the public for ordinary, day to day activitiies. Aren't they the same police who have had their numbers cut so severely under 'austerity' that they aren't investigating crimes, eg. burglary, car crime, etc? They're also the same police who are now making a big thing about protecting women, yet ignored a large scale grooming gangs problem in northern mill towns? Once again, you couldn't make it up!
 
If the above is true, then the policeman in question should be sacked.
The alleged killer of Sarah Everard had exposed himself at a takeaway a few days before he commited murder.

With this in mind it is unbelievable that a police officer would iqnore a report of indecent exposure.
I don't think it is unbelievable, i think its quite a reasonable response at the time. Context is all.

In the context of a demonstration that is consuming huge amounts of police resources, its reasonable for the police to say we can't spare the resource at this moment to investigate it. The women concerned obviously expected instant attention, and if the resource isn't there to provide it at that time, its not unreasonable for the police to decline to give her that instant attention. If the police are trying to control a crowd that has the potential to get violent and disruptive, then they can't afford to spare the officers to chase after a suspected flasher. Its no different to someone reporting that they'd just had their wallet stolen, the officers policing the demonstration are not going to be able to provide immediate assistance.

I'm sure if the women reported it in the normal way, ie to a police station, it would be investigated. The timing was perfect for the media to jump on though.
 
you can't expect people to take an interest in addressing male misbehaviour, if they don't feel like it.

"Georgina, who was walking her dog at the time, immediately sought the help of nearby Metropolitan Police officers, and says a woman officer attempted to help but was silenced by a male officer who said: "No, we've had enough tonight with the rioters.""


https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/woman-sexually-harassed-sarah-everard-23734164


Do you know this as a fact John. Did it really happen?

If it did shame on the officer.

Something similar did happen to me so it is believable
 
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I'm sure if the women reported it in the normal way, ie to a police station, it would be investigated.

what a fantastic idea. After the culprit has got away.

"have a crime number. Goodbye."
 
what a fantastic idea. After the culprit has got away.

"have a crime number. Goodbye."
Maybe so, but if its not reported and recorded the police can do nothing.

Would you have diverted officers from the crowd control?

Actually, I suspect you probably would.
 
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