It's OK to kill journalists

[JohnD]

Not just Palestinians

"In the case of British journalist James Miller, Israel faced the threat of a British request for the extradition of its soldiers and strained diplomatic tension with the British government. In 2003, Miller was shot in the neck by a soldier inside an armored personnel carrier in the Gaza Strip, but in 2005 the army absolved its troops. After a British inquest jury found in 2006 that Miller had been murdered, then-British Attorney General Peter Goldsmith wrote Israeli officials a letter, giving them a deadline to initiate legal proceedings against the soldiers involved, or they would be tried for war crimes in England, Haaretz reported. In 2009, Israel paid approximately 1.5 million pounds (US$2.2 million) in compensation to Miller’s family. After the Israeli payment, the British Ministry of Justice said it would not pursue legal claims or extradition, according to Haaretz."

Assume the killers are telling the truth

"The Israeli military, which never admitted responsibility in Miller’s death, initially claimed that its troops returned fire after being fired upon with rocket-propelled grenades. In video of the incident, a shot is fired, after which a member of Miller’s crew shouts, “We are British journalists.” A second shot is fired, and appears to hit Miller. The case was investigated by the Israeli military police, but then-Military Advocate General Mandelblit closed it after deciding there wasn’t enough evidence to try the soldier. (The soldier was also acquitted of improper use of weapons in a separate disciplinary hearing.)

The army said the investigation was “unprecedented in scope” and included ballistics tests, analysis of satellite photographs, and polygraph tests for those involved. However, an internal Israeli army report leaked to The Observer revealed that evidence was tampered with, army surveillance video tapes that may have filmed the killing had disappeared, and that soldiers were overheard “lying.” The report said officers assumed soldiers told the truth, and then explained away inconsistencies in their testimonies because “they were confused because of the fighting.”

 

[JohnD]

Soldiers ready to whistleblow

"However, an internal Israeli army report leaked to The Observer revealed that evidence was tampered with, army surveillance video tapes that may have filmed the killing had disappeared, and that soldiers were overheard “lying.”

 

[JohnD]

The Regev method.

"Officials appear to clear soldiers while probes are ongoing

Israeli officials, including those tasked with investigating killings, often make public statements exonerating soldiers before probes are complete. In Abu Akleh’s case, Yair Lapid, a former journalist who was then Israeli foreign minister, went on a press offensive, writing in The Wall Street Journal that accusations that Israel had targeted the journalist were “Palestinian propaganda.” His op-ed ran nearly three months before the IDF released a statement concluding no “suspicion of a criminal offense.”

 

[JohnD]

Whitewash

"In at least one case, Israeli officials launched a probe with the explicit goal of exoneration. The IDF’s probe into several 2018 Gaza deaths, including Murtaja’s, would “work to back the troops,” an unnamed IDF officer told Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth. “IDF officials stressed that the panel was formed to help IDF soldiers avoid prosecution in the International Criminal Court at The Hague and should not be interpreted to mean that their actions were in some way unwarranted,” the newspaper said. "

 

[JohnD]

Bury the journalist, Bury the story

"Inquiries are slow and not transparent

The Israeli military often takes months or years to investigate killings and is slow to respond to groups that petition for answers. The Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights asked the Israeli military to investigate Murtaja’s death six days after he was killed, according to Iyad Alami, head of PCHR’s legal unit. In an email to CPJ, Alami said the army asked the group for medical reports and eyewitness statements, which the group provided. Nearly two years later, the army responded asking for the names of witnesses who were prepared to testify. PCHR facilitated those testimonies and responded to other requests, but its efforts then ran aground. In October 2021 it asked the army for the results of its probe. It never heard back."

 

[JohnD]

Israel prevents independent reports

"The security adviser pointed to recent access issues. Palestinian journalists have been stopped at West Bank checkpoints and told they cannot proceed to the site of military operations “for your own protection.” Nidal Shtayyeh, a Palestinian photographer for the Chinese news agency Xinhua who was previously shot in the eye while reporting, said these restrictions intensified after Abu Akleh’s killing. “So, there’s no freedom of coverage.” The lack of independent reporting works in the government’s favor, said the security adviser. “They are the only one with a narrative to say ‘this is what happened on the ground.’”

 

[Odds]

Do you think a journalist places himself in danger of being killed, if he shares a vehicle with Hamas Combatants who are engaged in an active mission? Or do you think the vehicle is blown up because it has journalists in it.

Journalists are not embedded in the Hamas organisation as they are with the IDF.

Why can you not admit Israel is deliberately targeting them - are you blind to the news or just read the stuff you want to hear?

 

[JohnD]

Note motorbiking use of unsubstantiated slurs.

Perhaps he heard it from his friend Karen.

 

[JohnD]

Not aware.

You'd be surprised of the things that Israel claims to be not aware of.

"When Shtayyeh did manage to cover a military operation in Jenin in October of last year, he told CPJ that he and a colleague came under fire by Israeli forces while they were filming from inside a building under construction. “We were stuck to the wall for half an hour, terrified that we would be shot,” he said. Their calls for help were broadcast on Palestinian media, where Amira Hass, a veteran Israeli correspondent for Haaretz, heard them. She told CPJ she called the army spokesperson’s office and told a soldier on duty, “Act quickly, because we don’t want another Shireen Abu Akleh, do we?” Soon after, the journalists, who were not injured, were allowed to leave the area.

The IDF Spokesperson’s Unit and the police told Haaretz of this incident that it was “not aware of any accusations of fire being aimed at members of the media.”

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Journalists are not embedded in the Hamas organisation as they are with the IDF.

Why can you not admit Israel is deliberately targeting them - are you blind to the news or just read the stuff you want to hear?

If they are not deliberately targeting them, then they are seriously unlucky compared to other journalists in other areas.

 

[motorbiking]

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Journalists are not embedded in the Hamas organisation as they are with the IDF.

Why can you not admit Israel is deliberately targeting them - are you blind to the news or just read the stuff you want to hear?

because its disputed and I don't believe there are no pro Hamas journalists, embedded in the organisation. The fact is (as shown here) almost everyone has an opinion on who is be being more barbaric than the other. It stands to reason that both are pushing propaganda through the media of their choosing.

Al Jazeera bureau chief's son Hamza al-Dahdouh among journalists killed in Gaza

Hamza al-Dahdouh was with colleagues when their car was reportedly hit in an Israeli air strike .

www.bbc.co.uk

An IDF aircraft identified and struck a terrorist who operated an aircraft that posed a threat to IDF troops.
"We are aware of the reports that during the strike, two other suspects who were in the same vehicle as the terrorist were also hit."

 

[JohnD]

because its disputed

Is there anything YOU say that cannot be disputed?

You favour just killing them all because some of them might be pro-Palestine?

Of the examples I listed earlier, which are the ones proven to be terrorists?

Mark Regev claims that everybody is a terrorist. Is anything he says true?

"It took just one mention of the more than 11,000 Palestinians killed in Israel’s war on Gaza - a number that has since risen to 14,000 - for senior Netanyahu adviser Mark Regev to revert to the line that these are "Hamas numbers".

In a recent interview with Mehdi Hasan on MSNBC, Regev refused to acknowledge that Israel had killed children in its relentless and indiscriminate bombardment of the besieged Gaza Strip, suggesting that the hours of heart-wrenching footage aired daily could not be independently verified."

 

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