joe90 & any other holocaust deniers

[wobs]

but when it was proven that no gassing took place in Germany they switched tack again and said they were in Poland.

You mean other than the gas chambers in Sachsenhausen, near Berlin:
http://www.visitberlin.de/en/spot/gedenkstaette-sachsenhausen
http://www.jewishgen.org/forgottencamps/Camps/SachsenhausenEng.html

No smoky chimneys so they weren't cremated.

Other than the photoes of smoke from Auschwitz, and pictures of pyres, and huge quantities of ash found.

No ditches in the landscape so they weren't buried. So where the heck are they? I bet they went to flippin' Israel.

Studies into mass graves in the last few decades:
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Unco...horrors-Nazi/story-15342226-detail/story.html
http://familyorigin.org/belzec/investigation.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3705318,00.html

Is this enough pictures of mass graves for you?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=A...DwDw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=703#imgrc=_

 

[wobs]

Why do none of the gas chambers have the blue walls associated with cyanide gas?

Its not going so good for you is it...

In Majdanek:

Of course the Nazis destroyed many of the gas chambers before liberation, to try to hide their crimes (along with digging up bodies and burning them etc).

So, we have archeology, witness testimonies (both Nazis and victims), physical evidence, photos, the Holocaust Database, and a well established history. And Joe has provided nothing but easily debunked claims.

If there is any Monty Python sketch that this reminds me of, its the sword fight in Holy Grail. Joe is lacking many limbs.

 

[Brigadier]

Of course the Nazis destroyed many of the gas chambers before liberation, to try to hide their crimes (along with digging up bodies and burning them etc).

If the Cavalry were coming over the hill, would staying put and digging up graves, burning bodies etc, be likely? In the hope of hiding a decade's worth of industrial-scale atrocities?
Serious question.

 

[wobs]

Of course the Nazis destroyed many of the gas chambers before liberation, to try to hide their crimes (along with digging up bodies and burning them etc).

If the Cavalry were coming over the hill, would staying put and digging up graves, burning bodies etc, be likely? In the hope of hiding a decade's worth of industrial-scale atrocities?
Serious question.

Sonderaktion 1005 began in 1942, when the high command realised that the East would be lost, but they had until 1944 before the Soviets marched into the macarbre areas, and found the ashes/bones/mounds of bodies. Many but not all of the mass graves were dug up and the bodies burned. Many bones were ground down, although there dispute whether pictures of the bone mills are genuine.

 

[JBR]

If there's one thing I've learnt for certain from this thread it's that Joe loves an argument!

Reminds me of that great Monty Python sketch...

Yes, I remember that.

Still, on here Joe doesn't have to pay for the privilege!

Where's he gone, by the way?

 

[Brigadier]

If there's one thing I've learnt for certain from this thread it's that Joe loves an argument!

Reminds me of that great Monty Python sketch...

Yes, I remember that.

Still, on here Joe doesn't have to pay for the privilege!

Where's he gone, by the way?

On his hols, with DC?

 

[jockscott]

Perhaps Joe has gone on a holiday to Auschwitz , armed with some archaeological dig tools.

 

[joe-90]

Some of us work for a living.

 

[joe-90]

Wobs. If you think spraying a bit of blue paint on an air raid shelter wall is proof - then no wonder I can't get through to you. So tell me who did the chemical analysis? Why won't they let an independent teams look at the evidence? Do you think it is a good idea to imprison all of those that doubt the holocaust? I'm asking you a straight question. Yes or no?

 

[wobs]

Wobs. If you think spraying a bit of blue paint on an air raid shelter wall is proof - then no wonder I can't get through to you. So tell me who did the chemical analysis? Why won't they let an independent teams look at the evidence? Do you think it is a good idea to imprison all of those that doubt the holocaust? I'm asking you a straight question. Yes or no?

People have done studies into these sites. Such as Professor Jan Markiewicz, director of The Institute for Forensic Research (IFRC), who studied the remains of the gas chambers at Birkenau, and found cyanide. Contrary to what the pseudo-scientist Leuchter claimed.

And a major study at Treblinka recently has shown many mass graves using geo-phys etc.

There have been others of course, but you'll just ignore these, as they won't fit in your world view.

So I fail to see why you claim that studying these things is not allowed.

You have failed to show the slightest bit of evidence for anything you have claimed once again.

 

[joe-90]

Professor Jan Markiewicz is Jewish.

The girl that did the Treblinka geophysics was Jewish. The people that paid her to do it were Jewish. What conclusion did you expect her to reach?

An Australian crew did an 8 day analysis of Treblinka - but you don't want to hear about that one do you?

Leuchter knows a gas chamber when he sees one - designing them was his job.

Now tell me. Do you or do you not think that anyone should be imprisoned for questioning the holocaust?

Oh and btw, it's not me that has to prove that something didn't happen, it's for you to prove that it did. I'm ready to believe something that is logical, likely and provable. Losing 11,000,000 people into thin air isn't doing it for me.

 

[joe-90]

Oh and do us all a favour and reduce the size of that bomb shelter picture.

 

[vinty]

Wobs. If you think spraying a bit of blue paint on an air raid shelter wall is proof - then no wonder I can't get through to you. So tell me who did the chemical analysis? Why won't they let an independent teams look at the evidence? Do you think it is a good idea to imprison all of those that doubt the holocaust? I'm asking you a straight question. Yes or no?

People have done studies into these sites. Such as Professor Jan Markiewicz, director of The Institute for Forensic Research (IFRC), who studied the remains of the gas chambers at Birkenau, and found cyanide. Contrary to what the pseudo-scientist Leuchter claimed.

And a major study at Treblinka recently has shown many mass graves using geo-phys etc.

There have been others of course, but you'll just ignore these, as they won't fit in your world view.

So I fail to see why you claim that studying these things is not allowed.

You have failed to show the slightest bit of evidence for anything you have claimed once again.

You are posting rubbish mate, the so called study you are referring to was in response to the Fred leuchter revelations that showed no trace of cyanide in the so called gas the chamber, the Auschwitz museum(the same people who put the "4million people died here" sign on the gate of Auschwitz called in the institute you are referring to, to carry out a damage limitation exercise, unfortunately their findings confirmed Fred Leuchters so they never released them to the public.
In public the Auschwitz museum said Leuchter was a crank and didn't have a clue, it wasn't until some mischief maker released the report of the institute onto the internet that they called the "experts" called back for another investigation this time they came up with the correct result.
A lot of people are mislead into believing that Fred Leuchter analysed the samples he took from Auschitz himself, in fact they were analysed in a commercial forensic lab in America by a DR Roth (who happened to be Jewish) he backtracked from his own findings when he found out what they were being used for.

 

[vinty]

What about surviving German written records. There are thousands that can be looked up quite easily and they are copies of the original documents so can't be explained away easily. Many refer to crematoria ovens and improving efficiency and throughput. Dozens refer to needing more ovens urgently. One I saw said that capacity was 1850 corpses per day and this was not sufficient and more ovens are needed urgently. Many refer to research on ovens and how to improve them. Many are giving feedback on new ovens and increased efficiency. One refers to ordering a new 'ball mill' for "special substances" at Chelmno. Dozens list 'special' construction projects. Dozens refer to orders for new 'gas doors' and various other equipment. One interesting one refers to the labour force at Auschwitz; 870 stokers and 30 wood loaders for the crematoria. And that's despite the fact that you claim no smoke was ever seen coming from the ovens! What were those stokers up to do you think? There are thousands more records, some recovered from filing cabinets and some intercepted. Apart from memos, letters and reports there are a number of officer diaries. These clearly refer to extermination - the Auschwitz doctor himself refers to the camp as "the Auschwitz camp of extermination". Plus there are literally thousands of photographs of piles of corpses and mass burial pits.

What's the conspiracy line on those documents?

The crematoria you are referring to were standard in all German camps they were only capable of cremating on body at a time, as for gas tight doors these were aslo standard in all german air raid shelters and delousing facilities.

 

[jockscott]

Professor Jan Markiewicz is Jewish.

The girl that did the Treblinka geophysics was Jewish. The people that paid her to do it were Jewish. What conclusion did you expect her to reach?

On this point, Joe does have a point. Like Climate change scientists (paid to justify claims ) and Atos employees (paid by results) What verdict/result, did you expect them to deliver?