joe90 & any other holocaust deniers

So where are these documents then?

Cracking of the Enigma code gave the Allies access to all the correspondence in regard to the camps. NOTHING was ever mentioned about gassing or cremating. Extensive photo reconnaissance proved beyond doubt that no cremations took place. (not enough smoke). And the photos showed NO mass graves either. Children were NOT exterminated at Auschwitz. If they were - why did Anne Frank survive? Auschwitz had its own HOSPITAL. This is beyond dispute as Ann Frank's father Otto spent time in it when he badly burned his hand. They had their own dentists too. And theatre, and library etc.

It's the holocaust that is the biggest conspiracy theory in history. It (supposedly) happened in living memory yet there are no witnesses to these claimed atrocities.

Why is that? No evidence of gas chambers. Why is that? No one ever charged with operating a gas chamber - why is that? You need to seriously ask yourself the answer to these questions. Why do you believe blindly what common sense (and Occam's Razor) tell you just cannot be true?
 
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Joe, I've been over it plenty of times. You don't really want to know. It's just a ploy to try and get me to waste more time on it.

As I've said before, I agree with you on some of the Auschwitz points. The Russians made a lot of it up and it was also used as propaganda by the Allies. I don't think anyone realised at the time the false icon they were creating. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a place of horror and it doesn't take away the fact that hundreds of thousands were killed there and millions more were killed in thousands of other camps. And it's another ploy to fixate on gas chambers and try to claim most people just died of typhus. That just sets up the opportunity for you to say yah, boo, it didn't happen, it's a myth. In fact you are just deflecting away from the fact that it doesn't matter how people died. Typhus, being worked to death, starvation, being shot, being gassed. It's all the same - you end up dead - and all a direct or indirect result of being detained against your will in appalling conditions. And personally I don't distinguish between Jews and others. The Nazis killed millions and a lot of them were Jews. I notice you do distinguish, a lot. Maybe that's what is clouding your judgement.
 
If you include the 'others' it comes to 11,000,000 bodies, 23 times the population of Bristol. You can shoot them, starve them or gas them - but YOU have to explain where 11 million bodies went, why no-one witnessed it and why no-one went looking for them. If you can't - then Occam's Razor says you fail. I say it didn't happen. The World Almanac agrees with me. The International Red Cross agrees with me. The French Resistance agrees with me. Science agrees with me. I guess I must be right eh? It's up to YOU to prove your conspiracy theory with some proof. Real proof, not just some vague alluding to official figures. Prove where the equivalent population of Sweden went - without a trace.
 
You appear to claim that these people were not killed.

In which case, it is for you to show where they went. To feed millions of people needs a lot of food. Europe was living on foreign aid, and food was rationed. Who issued the ration cards, and who delivered the food? Where did the food come from and who paid for it?

millions of people need a lot of clothes and other things. You have seen the heaps of clothes (and suitcases, and shoes, and false teeth, and spectacles, and even babies' potties) at the camps. With the factories in ruins, where do you think the replacements came from, and why is there no record of them?

To move millions of people needs lots of trains and ships. European rail network had been smashed, rolling stock destroyed, ships sunk, and the seas were under constant observation from planes and naval ships. How were millions of people moved with no records, and without being seen? Do you really think you could hide 11 million living people without them being noticed?

Millions of people take up a lot of room. Where do you claim they went, without being noticed?

Occams razor says they were dead. Why do you claim they were alive and what evidence supports your claim?

Prove where the equivalent population of Sweden went - without a trace.
 
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They were there all the time. After the war they migrated to Israel. Let's just say they got there by magic carpet shall we? The World Almanac says they were there all the time. Otto Frank went back to Amsterdam and made a fortune publishing a book. Populations move. Always have and always will. The Jews were scattered all over the place and simply moved to Israel or stayed where they were. Do you think that Germany was totally devoid of Jews after the war? Are there none there today? Occam's Razor says the most likely answer is most likely to be true. The most likely scenario is the one I've just given you.
 
"Let's just say they got there by magic carpet shall we"

No, we shan't.

As you know, Palestine was under occupation by British forces until 1948. The men were well equipped with cameras, diaries, wrote letters home and books of reminiscences. They would have noticed millions of people levitating through the air, just as they would have noticed thousands of ships and trains. They would have noticed the demands on food, clothing, housing, sanitation, hospitals and cemeteries.

Occam's Razor says the most likely answer is most likely to be true. The most likely scenario is that they were not invisible and moved by magic. They were dead.

Your suggestion of moving millions of people to Palestine without being noticed is absurd and just a fantasy with no evidence to support it.
 
Where did the population of Israel come from then? Why are there millions of Jews still in Europe. It was a non-event. It didn't happen. The Holocaust is a giant conspiracy theory without foundation. 11,000,000 people weren't traveling around the country in cattle trucks. The Germans wouldn't have the infrastructure to do that today, never mind when they were fighting a war. :rolleyes:
 
You've lost your grip and are wandering in the realms of fantasy.
 
That's a typical response from one who can see the truth but afraid to grasp it.
 
joe-90 said:
Children were NOT exterminated at Auschwitz. If they were - why did Anne Frank survive?
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Anne Frank died in Auschwitz. She didn't survive. She died at least 12 weeks before the camp was liberated by British troops (although she may have died as early as February 1945 according to some reports)
 
jockscott said:
joe-90 said:
Children were NOT exterminated at Auschwitz. If they were - why did Anne Frank survive?
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Anne Frank died in Auschwitz. She didn't survive. She died at least 12 weeks before the camp was liberated by British troops (although she may have died as early as February 1945 according to some reports)
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Wrong. Another lie perpetrated by the pro Holocaust brigade. Anne Frank was a child who (according to propaganda) should have been killed on arrival at Auschwitz. She didn't die at Auschwitz and neither did her father Otto Frank. Anne Frank died in Bergen-Belsen from Typhus. Otto Frank, after being treated in the Auschwitz hospital for burns, made his way home to Amsterdam and made his fortune by publishing a book written by a novelist.

It's time to question the false facts you've been given for decades.
 
joe-90 said:
The piles of bodies died of Typhus. It was a major problem in the camps which is why they had gas chambers - to disinfect the garments.

That's what the Zyclon B was for.

Tell me Sooey. Will you answer me this question? It's a question that has never been answered by anyone in the past.

It's this:

If the concentration camps were death camps - then why did they keep alive the typhus victims that couldn't work and were useless to the German war effort? Just tell me why. :confused:
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As you don't know much about the Holocaust, its good that you are asking questions.

The reason that those suffering from typhus werren't gassed is that the disease broke out in huge numbers after the gas chambers were stopped being used.
For example, Anne Frank died of typhus in February 1945

The last selection for the gas chambers took place on October 30, 1944. After that, the Germans concentrated on hiding the evidence of all the death they had coursed, including exhuming mass graves for cremation. That, and the fact that revolts had destroyed some gas chambers.

Overcowding, lack of resources etc all led to poor hygiene by this time, which coursed disease to be rampant.

So you see, the major outbreaks of typhus could not have been addressed by gassing those who suffered from the disease.
 
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