Labour party purge ?

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Labour didn't invent the NHS, it was already being proposed by the conservatives, and would have come into being without Labour; they just got the credit.

Looks like doggit is re-writing his own version of history :

In 1945, the new Labour government came in on a manifesto that promised a revolution in health care. The job of health minister had been a minor one, below cabinet rank, but now it was filled by a major political player, Aneurin Bevan, the adored, charismatic leader of the Labour left. His stated ambition was to build a health service based on four principles: it was to be free at the point of use, available to everyone who needed it, paid for out of general taxation, and used responsibly.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ies/features/the-birth-of-the-nhs-856091.html

 

[Doggit]

when or if he achieves power reality will be forced on him by the system

But will it. He's got a lot slicker in his presentation, and he's now saying that the Labour party will follow the will of the people in supporting Brexit, but as it's often the unions that pull the strings, will they or momentum continue to do so if Corbyns in power. It'll be their reality, rather than the systems reality that controls him.

 

[EFLImpudence]

We will have to agree to differ, so I will just say:

And Blari won 3 elections, because he'd moved the party to the centre.

Therefore not Labour any more.

All the political parties agrees on the principle of the NHS,

Mmm.

and it was the charities and the Healthcare insurance provider and the doctors themselves who opposed it. Doctors worked for themselves and didn't want to become employees, the insuance companies saw their business models going down the pan, and the hospitals and consultants didn't want to come under the control of the NHS either, so consultants were allowed to carry on doing private work in order to get their cooperation. The NHS only came into being under Labour, because they were in power at the time, not because of them, because all the parties had already come together to agree on what needed doing to get the country going after the war.

Are those groups known for their conservative views?

Do you really think the Conservatives would have introduced it?

Why don't they do away with zero hours contracts then - back to the good old days.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/alevelstudies/origins-nhs.htm
"Another reason why there was comparatively little political dispute over the welfare programme of 1945-1951 was that political dissent would have had little effect due to the huge majority the Labour government held in parliament."

 

[Doggit]

"Another reason why there was comparatively little political dispute over the welfare programme of 1945-1951 was that political dissent would have had little effect due to the huge majority the Labour government held in parliament."

But there would still have been dissent, even if it would have been innefectual; and that's ofen the time it comes to the forefront, so lack of it cannot be taken for granted

 

[transam]

corbyn is against the nuclear induustry. A noble policy (may be ?)

Reality check

100,000 people are employed by the industry. Leader of the unite union McClusky a staunch corbyn supporter , pointed this out.

100,000 direct jobs plus all the indirect benefits to communities, shops ,sub contracters etc etc.

stand on the side lines sniping is simple as a protestor /opposition leader , as u are responsible for nothing ? sound bite politics ? appeal to the young with free tuition , give em a mortgage for a house etc etc they arenot interested were the money comes from ??

but eventually the chickens will come home to roost & they will end up disappointed

 

[Judy in the sky]

But will it. He's got a lot slicker in his presentation, and he's now saying that the Labour party will follow the will of the people in supporting Brexit, but as it's often the unions that pull the strings, will they or momentum continue to do so if Corbyns in power. It'll be their reality, rather than the systems reality that controls him.

Corbyn, a committed Eurosceptic, changed his mind during the referendum campaign and decided to campaign to remain. Yet now he's saying he'll follow the will of the people... Just a pity he didn't/ couldn't follow his own bloody principles / views in the first instance. Just face it, he's a bloody chancer.

 

[JohnD]

a bloody chancer.

 

[Brigadier]

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Hypocrite?
What should she do / have done then, in your opinion?

 

[JohnD]

What did Judy say, when you put that question to him?

committed Eurosceptic, changed his mind during the referendum campaign and decided to campaign to remain. Yet now he's saying he'll follow the will of the people... Just a pity he didn't/ couldn't follow his own bloody principles / views in the first instance. Just face it, he's a bloody chancer.

 

[StephenStephen]

The banks caused the crash, but Brown helped it by giving them a light touch regulation, and because they'd been spending so much, there was no buffer to cushion the effects of the crash, and I don't think they should have bailed the banks out.

This needs a bit more thinking about - remembering that time, remembering the continued influence of Milton Friedman on the approach of the Conservative Party, surely you must concede that had there been a Conservative government in power at the time, regulation would have been much lighter. I do sometimes think about what the crash would have been like with the extreme free market capitalism approach of the Conservative party at that time, and can only conclude that we had a lucky escape.

 

[Brigadier]

What did Judy say, when you put that question to him?

You first.

 

[JohnD]

What did Judy say, when you put that question to him?

Nothing, because you didn't ask him.

Perhaps you don't mind, or don't notice, tory politicians reversing their "beliefs"

 

[Brigadier]

Nothing, because you didn't ask him.

Perhaps you don't mind, or don't notice, tory politicians reversing their "beliefs"

If you won't answer the question, at least do me (and others) the courtesy of not ascribing quotes or opinions.

 

[JohnD]

perhaps you have some reason you don't want to talk about.



No "ascribing quotes or opinions" here.

Nothing, because you didn't ask him.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

corbyn is against the nuclear induustry. A noble policy (may be ?)

Reality check

100,000 people are employed by the industry. Leader of the unite union McClusky a staunch corbyn supporter , pointed this out.

100,000 direct jobs plus all the indirect benefits to communities, shops ,sub contracters etc etc.

stand on the side lines sniping is simple as a protestor /opposition leader , as u are responsible for nothing ? sound bite politics ? appeal to the young with free tuition , give em a mortgage for a house etc etc they arenot interested were the money comes from ??

but eventually the chickens will come home to roost & they will end up disappointed

More of **** end's nonsense and warping of truth:

UK civil nuclear job count rises by 2000
14 September 2016
More high quality, high skilled jobs are being created by the UK's civil nuclear industry, new statistics from the Nuclear Industry Association (NIA) show. Some 65,791 people are now working in the sector, an increase of more than 2000 on last year.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-UK-civil-nuclear-job-count-rises-by-2000-1409164.html

If you delve into the detail the figure quoted by **** end looks ridiculous:

Greatrex noted that some of these jobs are in preparation for, and part of, the UK's new build program, which he said will "secure the reliable low-carbon power needed to replace retiring power stations over the next decade".

At least 40,000 additional jobs will be created in the country's new build program,

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-UK-civil-nuclear-job-count-rises-by-2000-1409164.html

Which makes the current figure:

The statistics, released for the first time and part of the low-carbon and renewable energy data series, show nuclear generation and new build activities contributed £3.5 billion ($5.0 billion) to the economy in 2014, with 15,500 people employed full time.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/E...e-in-UK-economy-statistics-show-11041601.html