Labour's proposed higher minimum wage

[jockscott]

Mike, not long back from darts night, (so not quite sober) but......... You already have an income (from renting properties) so you not the typical worker on the minimum wage (or less) who has the normal bills of life to pay. Simply because you have this second income , means you know it's there, so there's no need to work in the first instance.
You know,,, if I won the Euro Lottery on a triple rollover, I still wouldn't work for less than the minimum wage ( I wouldn't work full stop)
It's rather unfair of you to come on here bleating about wages, when you already have an income (without lifting a bloody finger) and telling us we should all work for less than the NMW(because you would) (cause that's basically what your getting at)

Go back to your property scheme and be glad of your rental income.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Mike, not long back from darts night, (so not quite sober) but......... You already have an income (from renting properties) so you not the typical worker on the minimum wage (or less) who has the normal bills of life to pay. Simply because you have this second income , means you know it's there, so there's no need to work in the first instance.
You know,,, if I won the Euro Lottery on a triple rollover, I still wouldn't work for less than the minimum wage ( I wouldn't work full stop)
It's rather unfair of you to come on here bleating about wages, when you already have an income (without lifting a bloody finger) and telling us we should all work for less than the NMW(because you would) (cause that's basically what your getting at)

Go back to your property scheme and be glad of your rental income.

unfortunately, it was a derelict house, I bought it cheap and it required around 20K to £25K to bring it up to a good and decent standard, it is still being renovated in my spare time. It is hopefully going to provide me with regular income in future when I am about to retire.

There was a time once when I was laid off because of personal problem with my boss, I even changed a clutch plate ona Mk III Ford cortina in snow out on the road to earn just £20 labour and i sweated my balls to do that in ice cold weather. I would do anything for any price, long as it pays my bills and gets my creditors off my back.

 

[Nige F]

10. Like me there are very many people willing to work for less than a minimum wage, as always something is better than nothing

Crikey. Pray tell, would you work for less than the NMW? If so, you'd probably expect the government to give you working tax credit. You've not really thought this through have you ?

Fortunately, I planned for the rainy day from the beginning, when I was 25, my father died, we were all skint, and had to borrow money from many friends for his funeral! That taught me a big lesson, I earned and saved every penny as I didn't want my family burdened if I died, since then I saved up most of my earnings, I stopped wasting money on leisure, stopped going out for expensive restaurant meals, I took no foreign holidays, in fact I didn't even take any holidays even in Britain, .

That`s what we`ve been doing in Sussex for generations Surrounded by rich bastards coming from London to live

 

[AronSearle]

Exactly, and then when they qualify and can earn more money, they get the boot and are left with a trade of limited value.

It's extremely unethical.

Some jobs are just not worth the wage, some people just don't want to pay more than they have to.

How do you separate the two through legislation?

(you can't).

So you either destroy those jobs, claiming they don't deserve to exist if they can't pay more, or you let them carry on.

Again, unions are a more effective counter to cases of abuse.

 

[ImayKnow]

Exactly, and then when they qualify and can earn more money, they get the boot and are left with a trade of limited value.

It's extremely unethical.

Some jobs are just not worth the wage, some people just don't want to pay more than they have to.

How do you separate the two through legislation?

(you can't).

So you either destroy those jobs, claiming they don't deserve to exist if they can't pay more, or you let them carry on.

Again, unions are a more effective counter to cases of abuse.

For third world suppliers we support Fair Trade products to ensure the work force receive a fair and adequate salary for the work they do. Yet here in the UK we have suppliers like the one mentioned basically taking advantage of cheap labour.

It sounds like we need to get our own house in order first?

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Today I needed a steel wire brush, my oven has not been cleaned for a while and those thick stubborn stains won't budge.

So I went to a fancy goods shop that sells everything from mops to buckets to brooms and all sorts of tools and hammers and screws and washers and rugs, napkins, utencils, ornaments etc etc.

Most basic tools are £1.00, in blister packs, so I saw this wire brush in a blister pack, it had a price tag of £1.00, then I saw another one (new stock) and it had a price tag label of £1.50,

so now I had a small argument with the shop owner as to why was there such a steep price rise from £1.00 to £1.50, I told the guy that inflation is only running at around 4% so why not put it up by 10p or even in worst case by 25p, but I cannot believe that the price has been hacked straight from a pound to one fifty!

I bet this is the result of minimum wage requirement as the shop employs a few assistants stocking shelves or helping customers.

He most probably pays them a minimum wage for 20 hrs declared and then not pays them anything for the next 20 hours, so overall the going rate for such workers in these kind of stores is between £3.50 to £5.00 per hour, no way they can afford a minimum wage rate of over £6.00 per hours, and the council tax bill for such a small shop runs close to 5grand a year!

 

[taz123]

Maybe the supplier had hiked the prices?

Better quality?

If it had been £10 and hiked to £15 then I could be sympathetic........but 50p?

 

[ImayKnow]

So I went to a fancy goods shop that sells everything from mops to buckets to brooms and all sorts of tools and hammers and screws and washers and rugs, napkins, utencils, etc etc

We know the type, scruffy, dirty little holes run by foreigners?

 

[taz123]

We know the type, scruffy, dirty little holes run by foreigners?[/quote]

Excuse me, there are no foreigners running my house I'll have you know.

 

[ImayKnow]

We know the type, scruffy, dirty little holes run by foreigners?

Excuse me, there are no foreigners running my house I'll have you know.

They may not be foreign to you!

 

[big-all]

so now I had a small argument with the shop owner as to why was there such a steep price rise from £1.00 to £1.50, I told the guy that inflation is only running at around 4% so why not put it up by 10p or even in worst case by 25p, but I cannot believe that the price has been hacked straight from a pound to one fifty!

I bet this is the result of minimum wage requirement as the shop employs a few assistants stocking shelves or helping customers.

the minimum wage has been around for a few years the rate has increased by between 1 and2 % over the last year

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

 

[Brigadier]

And when the (stakeholder?) pension becomes a requirement, how do you think these break-even companies are going to afford to provide them? (I think provision will be mandatory).
Probably easiest to bin off an employee, then divvy up their salary to cover the extra outlay.
Tough times.

 

[big-all]

employment should be a partnership where the employer is justly rewarded the employee is justly rewarded with investment 1st place and the shareholders a respectable third

the ones that manage and generate the income should be respected

poor condition equate to unhappy disloyal worker
trying to force people to work for p'nuts you finnish up with a high turnover unhappy workers unhappy customers but happy shareholders and bosses

 

[mark vincent]

If the minimum wage is raised doesn't that mean the government will save money because they will not have to pay out as much in tax credits ect.
The worker will have more disposible income to spend in the shops thus creating more jobs.
How on earth does forcing down wages make people wealthier, if low wages were the key to economic success then Bangladesh would be the richest country on Earth.

 

[joe-90]

And it will attract ever more migrants so that our young can't find work. Great idea.