Labour's proposed higher minimum wage

[big-all]

Yeah but their employees pay.

people on minimum wage pay little or no tax on a basic wage
the point is the system that pays child tax credits and contributions towards housing and other low paid connected "benefits" to subsidize big business who don't want to pay a working wage as it would effect the bonuses to the directors or the shareholders

 

[Mikefromlondon]

I know some such people from Romania, one came over and worked so hard, lived 3 to a room, paying something like £40 PW for his accommodation inc bills, and eat only Lidl Frankfurters and bread, saved over 40K .

Yet another porkie MFL. How on earth can someone on the NMW ever afford to save £40k, (far less bloody well earn it) ? Like someone said earlier, you must live in cloud cuckoo land, or think we're so naive. Christ, I've heard it all now " I'm on the NMW and managed ( legally, somehow, ) to save £40,000" Tell ya what,, whatever your taking, I reckon you should share it out.

Don't be silly, I did not say he worked on minimum wages, he was working on the Olympics Village, a scaffolder, and he grafted as many hours as he could 7 days a week, at least for 2 years, he probably saved 40K just in one year I recon. He was on £12ph, and did long hours, add sunday double time, why do you see a problem here?

but bear in mind, he didn't go out for drinks or other social time waste, he shared a large room with two others, stuffed his fridge with them Frankfurters from Lidl, and loaves of bread, just 2 things, didn't smoke or drink, not even tea, and I went with him to collect the Transit tipper van from Glasgow, which he drove back to Romania

 

[Mikefromlondon]

GPs aren't employed by the NHS, they are independent contractors contracted to the NHS.

I have no idea how the hell he gets his 5K monthly pension, but I saw NHS on the statement, and tax deducted £1200, giving him just under four grand net a month! He then also gets his UN pension he told me.

His 10 or so, degrees or credentials does not mean he had to study 3 years for each, he has worked in many countries in Africa, mostly associated with Nigeria and Ghana, and Congo.

 

[big-all]

GPs aren't employed by the NHS, they are independent contractors contracted to the NHS.

I have no idea how the hell he gets his 5K monthly pension, but I saw NHS on the statement, and tax deducted £1200, giving him just under four grand net a month! He then also gets his UN pension he told me.

His 10 or so, degrees or credentials does not mean he had to study 3 years for each, he has worked in many countries in Africa, mostly associated with Nigeria and Ghana, and Congo.

gp's are under contract to the nhs or at least they where
they where trained and had to commit to so many hours off commitment including a pension entitlement
they where awarded something like 100k plus pension this included out off hours commitment that many paid to out off hours suppliers to save them covering the work
but yes a gp will be on a very substantial nhs pension

 

[mark vincent]

And it will attract ever more migrants so that our young can't find work. Great idea.

Using that logic we should force down wages even futher and then no migrants will want to come here.A good idea would be to restrict immigration until unemployment falls below a certain level,

 

[ladylola]

The Swiss have some ideas for pay , for example the 1:12 ratio of executives pay to the lowest paid

Switzerland is expected to vote later this year on a proposal to place further limits on executive pay, the latest effort to govern corporate compensation in a country that recently approved some of the world's strictest say-on-pay rules. The Young Socialists, the youth wing of the left-leaning Social Democratic Party of Switzerland, have collected more than 100,000 signatures--the threshold needed to call a vote--in support of a referendum to
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limit executive salaries to 12 times those of a company's lowest-paid employee.
The campaign, dubbed the 1:12 Initiative for Fair Pay, is named for the organizers' belief that no one in a company should earn more in one month than the lowest-paid employee makes in a year.
On Thursday, the Council of States, Switzerland's upper house, will debate what recommendation it should give on the initiative, which voters are expected to consider in September or November. Two other government bodies have already recommended a rejection of the pay proposal.

The referendum will be the second time Swiss voters have been asked to weigh in on the country's corporate-pay structure this year. This month they overwhelmingly approved the Minder Initiative, named for its creator, businessman and politician Thomas Minder, and also known as the "Rip-Off Initiative." The plan allows the government to draft sweeping controls on compensation, such as requiring a binding shareholder vote on pay, as well as fines and jail time for violations.

And, as noted in this Reuters article, the Germans have started on work on their own set of new rules to rein in excessive pay...

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Another good idea would be to sell any services or products using two prices, one for the rich, charge them 3 or 4 times the price for average hard working and tax paying Joe Bloke.

So if I was to fix someone's washing machine for example, or a boiler I would charge £50 for the ordinary hard working bloke, and if the bloke was a Lawyer or a DOctor, or some Rich Banker, and lives in a big house with lamborghini parked in the front, then the price should be £500 for the same work. That would be really fair deal, like for like.

 

[joe-90]

Pay £500 to fix his washing machine when a new one coasts £300.

How does your brain work?

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Pay £500 to fix his washing machine when a new one coasts £300.

How does your brain work?

Rich people only buy Mercedes Washing machines!

Ok, now you going to tell me Mercedes don't make washing machines, fine then what about charging them £200 to fit a new £300 washing machine and take their old one away and replace the faulty part and resell it for £150 as a secondhand washing machine? might only just be a blocked outlet!

 

[jockscott]

Don't be silly, I did not say he worked on minimum wages, he was working on the Olympics Village, a scaffolder, and he grafted as many hours as he could 7 days a week, at least for 2 years, he probably saved 40K just in one year I recon. He was on £12ph, and did long hours, add sunday double time, why do you see a problem here?

The only problem I ever saw there was a certain Mr Brown (or could have been Bliar) telling us when London was awarded the Olympics, that "This will mean British jobs, for British workers."

What utter b*****ks. We were sold down the Thames. Eastern European labour built most of the Olympic Village and Stadia.
So in one word YES (I did have a problem with that.)

 

[joe-90]

It was Brown nose.

 

[captaincaveman1]

The Olympic's was all about massaging the ball's of the government

 

[EFLImpudence]

This charging rich people more already occurs.

It happens in restaurants, hairdressers and other 'posh' places that you and I cannot afford or would not wish to go.

I remember (I read) that David Beckham was charged £80 the first time he had his head shaved at a 'top shavers'.

It is way of ensuring the rich get richer and the poor don't.
It does not apply to tradesmen.

Do you rember Sarah Ferguson was three million pounds in debt so she was given a pointless television show where she was paid enough to repay the debt?

 

[joe-90]

Do you rember Sarah Ferguson was three million pounds in debt so she was given a pointless television show where she was paid enough to repay the debt?

I didn't know she did Pointless. I thought it was Alexander Armstrong.

 

[EFLImpudence]

No, she didn't do Alexander Armstrong either.