Language used in parliament yesterday - your thoughts?

[durhamplumber]

large percentage (and in my opinion, a majority) of the country are becoming increasingly frustrated by the paralysis that is being imposed on the country, and simply see Boris attempting to generate a satisfactory Brexit deal without the backstop but with the remain contingent doing everything they can to frustrate this process.

It is about power, but its about creating the power required to deliver Brexit.

Spot on..good point.Well made.

 

[durhamplumber]

The Labour solution is the only one left that is workable,

Jeez...what a thought.

 

[Lower]

Can't win. The Labour solution is the only one left that is workable, assuming Boris doesn't somehow force a no deal brexit next month

The labour solution is laughable. How on earth does labour think it will be able to negotiate a decent deal with the EU with their current strategy?

Labour has to make a decision and then stand by it. Its current strategy of officially sitting on the fence whilst the senior members (apart from the leader) are openly lobbying to remain is pathetic.

 

[Notch7]

it will be able to negotiate a decent deal with the EU with their current strategy?

Are you still one of those people that think that no deal is a negotiating strategy?
Here is a hint: we have a decent deal with the EU
If we want to leave we cant have frictionless trade.
for 3 years its been known there is no cake and eat it deal available
The EU will simply not give up their single market integrity
What is it you dont understand

The labour solution is laughable.

Wrong.
Johnsons solution is laughable.
No deal is laughable
The Tory lies are laughable

You believing the Telegraph gives a balanced opinion is laughable.

 

[Notch7]

It is about power, but its about creating the power required to deliver Brexit

It is not about the power required to deliver Brexit.
It is all about power for Boris Johnson
It is all about power for the Tory party
It s all about the iies told by the Tory party cabinet and leader

A Brexit deal was available, the ERG voted it down.

 

[Notch7]

I'm sure his strategy is to make it very clear to the electorate that a large portion of parliament and 'the establishment' are doing absolutely everything they can to frustrate Brexit, no matter the cost.

Wrong.

He is the establishment
He is entitled
He doesnt care about Brexit or voters.

He is spreading lies and inciting hatred.

If you think that proroguing parliament to prevent is acceptable then youve allowed him and your entrenched views on Brexit to allow your moral compass to be bent right out if shape.

 

[Lower]

Are you still one of those people that think that no deal is a negotiating strategy?
Here is a hint: we have a decent deal with the EU
If we want to leave we cant have frictionless trade.
for 3 years its been known there is no cake and eat it deal available
The EU will simply not give up their single market integrity
What is it you dont understand


Wrong.
Johnsons solution is laughable.
No deal is laughable
The Tory lies are laughable

You believing the Telegraph gives a balanced opinion is laughable.

Johnson's laughable strategy has the EU discussing alternative options to the backstop, something they previously said they would never do.

Johnson's laughable strategy has the EU discussing reopening the withdrawal agreement, something they previously said they would never do.

Johnson's laughable strategy has the DUP willing to accept an element of a border down the Irish sea, something they previously said they would never do.

My reading of the Telegraph is irrelevant and your views are clearly as, if not more so entrenched than mine. I chose to read the Telegraph because its articles closely match my views. But my perspective is entirely my own and what i read does not define what i think.

 

[Lower]

Wrong.

He is the establishment
He is entitled
He doesnt care about Brexit or voters.

He is spreading lies and inciting hatred.

If you think that proroguing parliament to prevent is acceptable then youve allowed him and your entrenched views on Brexit to allow your moral compass to be bent right out if shape.

I completely disagree.

I believe he does care about Brexit and voters.

I don't believe he is spreading lies and hatred.

I specifically have no problem with him proroguing parliament. Proroguing parliament for political reasons has been standard practice for hundreds of years. He was simply using the tools available to him in his efforts to deliver Brexit in exactly the same way as the opposition has been using 'humble address' motions to force the government to release documents that were not intended for public consumption to further their cause. You use the tools available to you at the time.

 

[JohnD]

Johnson's laughable strategy has the EU discussing alternative options to the backstop, something they previously said they would never do.

Johnson was told that if he could come up with a workable proposal making the backstop unnecessary, it would not be necessary. This has been the case for the past three years, and it is UK's inability to make such a proposal that made the backstop necessary.

He rashly said he would try to produce one in 30 days (that was in August, and he failed)

Has he produced a proposal yet?

Have you seen it?

 

[JohnD]

'the establishment'

Young Firebrand Johnson fighting the establishment

 

[JP_]

The labour solution is laughable. How on earth does labour think it will be able to negotiate a decent deal with the EU with their current strategy?

They never said they would negotiated a "decent deal", did they? The point is, make the best deal you can, agree it in parliament, agree it with the public. Then you have a democratic process.
The end result might be the same, but you avoid half country feeling that they've been robbed / ignored, you end division, you make it democratic.

What Boris is trying to do is clearly not democratic. The country is divided and it will stay that way for a very long time if they don't get parliamentary agreement at least, then a public vote at best.

 

[Lower]

They never said they would negotiated a "decent deal", did they? The point is, make the best deal you can, agree it in parliament, agree it with the public. Then you have a democratic process.
The end result might be the same, but you avoid half country feeling that they've been robbed / ignored, you end division, you make it democratic.

What Boris is trying to do is clearly not democratic. The country is divided and it will stay that way for a very long time if they don't get parliamentary agreement at least, then a public vote at best.

I take your point, but what is the point of half heartedly negotiating a crap deal (because what incentive do the EU have for offering anything different to what they already have) and then putting it to the people?

If you want a deal, set your stall out to get one and fight tooth and nail to get the best deal you can (as i believe Boris is doing). If you want to remain, be honest about it in the same way the lib dems have and put your policies to the test in an election.

 

[Lower]

Johnson was told that if he could come up with a workable proposal making the backstop unnecessary, it would not be necessary. This has been the case for the past three years, and it is UK's inability to make such a proposal that made the backstop necessary.

He rashly said he would try to produce one in 30 days (that was in August, and he failed)

Has he produced a proposal yet?

Have you seen it?

Of course i haven't seen a proposal yet. The very second after a proposal arrives in the hands of the EU, it'll be leaked with all sorts of negative commentary.

I would expect to see a proposal on Oct 17.

 

[Mottie]

Here is a hint: we have a decent deal with the EU

Yes, we do have a decent trade deal with the EU. It’s the other **** that people don’t want. For example, why should EU residents be entitled to social housing, assisted housing and homelessness assistance when UK born and bred residents cannot get it? No wonder they ****ing flock here.

Why link the two? People don’t want to house them, they just want to sell to them and buy from them.

If a plumber wants to buy my services I’ll gladly offer them. If I want his services I would expect him to offer them to me. I wouldn’t expect him to say that I must house his aunt or he won’t deal with me.

 

[durhamplumber]

Are you still one of those people that think that no deal is a negotiating strategy

Absolutely