letter from Boris Johnson to Donald Tusk

[durhamplumber]

Evoke past wars you were never involved in but claim victory.

But it’s ok for you to post pix of past wars to make stupid points!,, hypocrit

 

[Vinty]

No, the Brexers say they want to keep foreigners out, so there must be a border with immigration controls between the EU and the UK.

True.

EU controls imports from third countries outside the EU that do not have a trade agreement.

True.

RoI is part of the EU

True

NI is part of the UK

True.

The UK refuses to accept the negotiated agreement

True.

Which one of those facts do you find it difficult to grasp?

There is no negotiated "agreement" to have an agreement you need the consent of both parties, Theresa Mays load of ****** was never ratified by the UK parliament, why do you this fact difficult to grasp.

 

[Vinty]

No, the Brexers say they want to keep foreigners out, so there must be a border with immigration controls between the EU and the UK.

True.

EU controls imports from third countries outside the EU that do not have a trade agreement.

True.

RoI is part of the EU

True

NI is part of the UK

True.

The UK refuses to accept the negotiated agreement

True.

Which one of those facts do you find it difficult to grasp?

There is no negotiated "agreement" to have an agreement you need the consent of both parties, Theresa Mays load of ****** was never ratified by the UK parliament, why do you find this fact difficult to grasp.

 

[SirGalahad]

But it’s ok for you to post pix of past wars to make stupid points!,, hypocrit

Its more fun triggering RWR lunatics.

I knew that pic would trigger these RWR Brexiteers just like their RWR Republican brethren.

 

[Vinty]

Evoke past wars you were never involved in but claim victory.

Correct, however the same principle applies.
Foreigners shouldn't start wars they can't win.
The Germans lost 2 wars and now they are trying to start another one in Ireland.
They never learn.

 

[JohnD]

There is no negotiated "agreement"

Let's see.

Did the government of the UK, and the delegated representatives of the EU, hold negotiations?

Yes

Did they come to an agreement?

Yes

Did the UK parliament refuse to accept it?

Yes.

Is my earlier statement true?

Yes

 

[Notch7]

Look at a map, the EU has 1000's of miles of Land borders stretching from Finland to Turkey.

red herring

Yeah, can you post back with images of all the open roads on those borders -roads which can take lorries and vans.

The Irish border question is a manufactured problem created by the EU to use as leverage on the UK during the transition negotiations

Simply incorrect.

If that was true, then the UK would have been able to bat it away early on.

I can't believe you are trying that argument -it is simply false.

 

[Notch7]

All the EU has to do is wait? Napoleon and Hitler thought the same thing and you know what happened to them.

Unfortunately you have been sold the lie that 'no deal' is the end game. A concluding event.

It is not.
Think about it, what does no deal actually mean?

It means the UK loses every single trade arrangement throughout the world.

When you switch your computer off, do you switch it back on again the next time you use it?

 

[Lower]

Great news! Lower thinks there is a solution and he thinks it is working on the Swiss border.

Tell us, Lower, how you think trade works between EU and CH.

Do you think Switzerland insisted on no-deal? Or do you think it spent years building a framework of agreements?

What would you like to know? The Swiss people chose not be part of the EU yet both the EU and Switzerland appreciate the benefit of trader and positive relations with their neighbours. Yet Switzerland already has a deal with the EU that involves a series of bilateral agreements with the EU that amount to free trade but does also include free movement of people.

Despite that, they have customs controls at the borders that they apply selectively to lorries and use technology and intelligence led controls to allow as much free movement of goods and people as possible. Outside of designated freight crossings, their borders are essentially porous.

Whilst we want to end free movement of people, it would be entirely possible to allow free entry of EU citizens to the UK but limit their right to work and claim benefits. Facial recognition and ID checks at ports and airports as already exists would then weed out non EU citizens if appropriate.

With that in mind, there is no reason why a model similar to the Swiss model couldn't then exist. Freight checks at ports could be undertaken, again using intelligence to define what needed to be checked. Statements of conformity from approved manufacturers would allow minimum inspection requirements on the pre-approved suppliers. The pre-approval process already exists in the UK for a number of products (notified body approval for CE marking for example). Only non approved suppliers would then need to have their goods checked.

Except for the fact that the EU is trying to bully the Swizz into accepting more and more EU oversight of their country by selectively withdrawing bilateral agreements.

Anticipating your next question, why should the EU enter into an agreement of this type? The answer to that is because we are a huge consumer of their exports and is a very important point that should not be forgotten, overlooked or dismissed. It is in both the EU and the UK's interest to agree an arrangement that works for both sides.

 

[SirGalahad]

Correct, however the same principle applies.
Foreigners shouldn't start wars they can't win.
The Germans lost 2 wars and now they are trying to start another one in Ireland.
They never learn.

So its ok for us domestics to start a war? Lol

What War are they starting in Ireland? This is into loopy territory now.

 

[Notch7]

Correct, however the same principle applies.
Foreigners shouldn't start wars they can't win.
The Germans lost 2 wars and now they are trying to start another one in Ireland.
They never learn.

Good grief, listen to yourself.

The Germans want to trade with us, they didnt vote to leave

 

[Notch7]

It is in both the EU and the UK's interest to agree an arrangement that works for both sides

That makes sense.

We already have it: frictionless trade, no paperwork, common standards so we can trade with 27 nations, via a tunnel just 30mins away.


If we want a worse deal than that, you are right it is in the interest for the UK to agree an arrangement that works -why do we keep refusing it

 

[Notch7]

Despite that, they have customs controls at the borders that they apply selectively to lorries

At least you have admitted the Swiss border is a hard border

 

[SirGalahad]

 

[fillyboy]

The only thing manufactured are the lies by Brexiteers.

https://www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6


Turkey border gridlock hints at pain to come for Brexit Britain
Truck drivers bemoan long queues and endless paperwork needed to enter EU

And Turkey are in the customs union. I wonder why 5% of the trucks need to be x-rayed.